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The FSD option stopped me from ordering on 12/8 as I have it on my M3 and it is not a finished product yet. I convinced myself Tesla was going to go through the list of 2 million reservations offering FSCT before selling non-FSCTs. I ordered a FSCT on 12/31 because I didn't want to wait. Ironically, I heard Elon say the FSD development on the CT is a low priority after I ordered. I look at it as a premium to pay for a CT in 2024. Why wouldn't Tesla offer a FSCT to everyone who wanted one? Tesla will sell only FSCT until the factory can produce more CT than they have FSCT orders for.
Most people who buy FSD with a Tesla don't buy it because they think it's a finished product, they buy it because they know it's not finished, and they want to lock the price in at the "unfinished" rate. Because it's going to cost a lot more than $12K when it can actually replace a driver.
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Most people who buy FSD with a Tesla don't buy it because they think it's a finished product, they buy it because they know it's not finished, and they want to lock the price in at the "unfinished" rate. Because it's going to cost a lot more than $12K when it can actually replace a driver.
I have FSD on my M3 and it has scared me silly several times. I don’t like being a tester/guinea pig. It has improved a lot over the 2+ years and every update I’m hopeful for great progress. Add to that, Tesla doesn’t normally let you transfer FSD to your next Tesla. If you trade cars every 3 years, who is to say it will be finished in 3 years, just in time to buy it again?
 

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I have FSD on my M3 and it has scared me silly several times. I don’t like being a tester/guinea pig. It has improved a lot over the 2+ years and every update I’m hopeful for great progress.
Are you by any chance a beginning driver? I've been using FSD since it was first released in all kinds of traffic and never feel like it has any power over me. Whenever it does something I disagree with, I don't let it. I think my reaction time is normal, about 1/10th of a second. Simply entering a steering input or braking will disengage it instantly. You can also floor it if you see a problem coming up from behind and it will instantly accelerate. I'm always in complete command, even when FSD is "driving". And you are right, the need to intervene is becoming less and less. That is probably the greatest danger, of someone not paying attention, because it's getting so good, such a high percentage of the time. That can cause complacency. But I'm a life-long motorcyclist and am probably better than most at not getting lulled into a false sense of complacency.

edit: I see in your profile photo you don't look like a youngster. Do you think your reaction time might be longer than average? That could explain how it might scare you, if you don't take over soon enough when it starts doing something inadvisable. Nobody who doesn't feel 100% comfortable using FSD should use it. And nobody who feels so comfortable with it that they don't feel like they have to supervise constantly should use it either. I just find it more relaxing than regular driving, probably because I keep it on a short leash.


Add to that, Tesla doesn’t normally let you transfer FSD to your next Tesla. If you trade cars every 3 years, who is to say it will be finished in 3 years, just in time to buy it again?
Yup. We keep our cars a long time (we have 3 2018 Model 3 and one 2010 F-150 currently) and pre-ordering FSD probably is not a good bet if you like to trade them in regularly. No matter how long you keep your cars, it's a gamble because no one knows if it will be useful in one year or another decade. I mean, I would be very surprised if it took another decade, but it's certainly possible.

FSD at current prices would be a real steal, even if it takes 5 years from now to solve. The longer it takes, the less it's worth it to buy it now. That's why I call it a gamble. Not for the cautious types (or those who think it won't amount to much in the next 5 or so years)
 

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The point is not that they will not continue to make FSCT if they can't increase volume - the point is they will do there at most to increase volume and start selling non-FS. Because that is the plan - and managers get fired if they can't execute on the plan in a timely manner. Elon has fired managers for far less.

Also, a lot of people keep assuming Tesla tries to maximize profit - citing Eco 101. But - Tesla is not a fly-by-night operator trying to maximize profit in the short term. Don't just look at Eco 101 - but also consider brand value, long term strategy, customer loyalty ... atleast Marketing 101. All these dictate they start making general CT for less rather than milk a few thousand rich people for $20k more. Tesla is not a boutique shop.

Remember the vision is to displace carbon dioxide spewing ICE trucks - not maximize profits on individual vehicles sold.

ps : There is a BIG assumption being made by some here - that FS with $20k extra will make them "more" profit. May be it won't - with the low volume they could make a loss on each FSCT sold. May be they have to increase volume to make any kind of money ... I've stopped making my quarterly forecasts a few years back so I don't have all the number now, but low volume is a killer in auto business.
I don’t believe you are very much richer if you spend $20k extra for a FSCT vs a regular old CT. Throw in the cost for insurance and alll CTs are for pretty affluent consumers. Yes, my dear, some people think we are rich! Ha ha ha… Well, at least until we spent it all!
Are you by any chance a beginning driver? I've been using FSD since it was first released in all kinds of traffic and never feel like it has any power over me. Whenever it does something I disagree with, I don't let it. I think my reaction time is normal, about 1/10th of a second. Simply entering a steering input or braking will disengage it instantly. You can also floor it if you see a problem coming up from behind and it will instantly accelerate. I'm always in complete command, even when FSD is "driving". And you are right, the need to intervene is becoming less and less. That is probably the greatest danger, of someone not paying attention, because it's getting so good, such a high percentage of the time. That can cause complacency. But I'm a life-long motorcyclist and am probably better than most at not getting lulled into a false sense of complacency.

edit: I see in your profile photo you don't look like a youngster. Do you think your reaction time might be longer than average? That could explain how it might scare you, if you don't take over soon enough when it starts doing something inadvisable. Nobody who doesn't feel 100% comfortable using FSD should use it. And nobody who feels so comfortable with it that they don't feel like they have to supervise constantly should use it either. I just find it more relaxing than regular driving, probably because I keep it on a short leash.




Yup. We keep our cars a long time (we have 3 2018 Model 3 and one 2010 F-150 currently) and pre-ordering FSD probably is not a good bet if you like to trade them in regularly. No matter how long you keep your cars, it's a gamble because no one knows if it will be useful in one year or another decade. I mean, I would be very surprised if it took another decade, but it's certainly possible.

FSD at current prices would be a real steal, even if it takes 5 years from now to solve. The longer it takes, the less it's worth it to buy it now. That's why I call it a gamble. Not for the cautious types (or those who think it won't amount to much in the next 5 or so years)
Mikey!! I am laughing at your opinions. I was planning all kinds of mean responses to you for saying I am either young and inexperienced or old and feeble, which is it? But as it turns out we have so much in common! Just like you, I have a 2018 M3 and a 2010 F-150. I'm living the dream in SoCal, but I spent 32 years in Bellingham, Washington, in the same state where you say you live, Washington. You must be quite the driver with cat-like reflexes. I wasn't very good on my dirt bike when I was so young and full of myself. I did spend some time on an open track driving my 1965 Shelby Cobra 10 years ago on the Ridge Motorsports Park in Shelton, WA and participated in many autocross events. I did manage to take a few driving classes at the Skip Barber Driving Acadamy at the Sonoma Raceway and Laguna Seca. The ProFormace Driving School was fun in Kent, WA when I lapped my daughter on the track (She was in a Lotus, I was in a Maita). You should go by the Pacific Raceway in Kent and show them your driving skills. I'm sure they would be impressed. Sadly, I did sell the Cobra in 2018. The Cobra cornered so hard it threw my neck out.

To be fair, we have two different opinions on FSD, and that is fine. I just hope FSD is perfected quickly, because as old as I am, I'm going to need a lot of help driving soon. Please drive safely!
 

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I don’t believe you are very much richer if you spend $20k extra for a FSCT vs a regular old CT. Throw in the cost for insurance and alll CTs are for pretty affluent consumers. Yes, my dear, some people think we are rich! Ha ha ha… Well, at least until we spent it all!

Mikey!! I am laughing at your opinions. I was planning all kinds of mean responses to you for saying I am either young and inexperienced or old and feeble, which is it? But as it turns out we have so much in common! Just like you, I have a 2018 M3 and a 2010 F-150. I'm living the dream in SoCal, but I spent 32 years in Bellingham, Washington, in the same state where you say you live, Washington. You must be quite the driver with cat-like reflexes. I wasn't very good on my dirt bike when I was so young and full of myself. I did spend some time on an open track driving my 1965 Shelby Cobra 10 years ago on the Ridge Motorsports Park in Shelton, WA and participated in many autocross events. I did manage to take a few driving classes at the Skip Barber Driving Acadamy at the Sonoma Raceway and Laguna Seca. The ProFormace Driving School was fun in Kent, WA when I lapped my daughter on the track (She was in a Lotus, I was in a Maita). You should go by the Pacific Raceway in Kent and show them your driving skills. I'm sure they would be impressed. Sadly, I did sell the Cobra in 2018. The Cobra cornered so hard it threw my neck out.

To be fair, we have two different opinions on FSD, and that is fine. I just hope FSD is perfected quickly, because as old as I am, I'm going to need a lot of help driving soon. Please drive safely!
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I don’t believe you are very much richer if you spend $20k extra for a FSCT vs a regular old CT. Throw in the cost for insurance and alll CTs are for pretty affluent consumers. Yes, my dear, some people think we are rich! Ha ha ha… Well, at least until we spent it all!

Mikey!! I am laughing at your opinions. I was planning all kinds of mean responses to you for saying I am either young and inexperienced or old and feeble, which is it? But as it turns out we have so much in common! Just like you, I have a 2018 M3 and a 2010 F-150. I'm living the dream in SoCal, but I spent 32 years in Bellingham, Washington, in the same state where you say you live, Washington. You must be quite the driver with cat-like reflexes. I wasn't very good on my dirt bike when I was so young and full of myself. I did spend some time on an open track driving my 1965 Shelby Cobra 10 years ago on the Ridge Motorsports Park in Shelton, WA and participated in many autocross events. I did manage to take a few driving classes at the Skip Barber Driving Acadamy at the Sonoma Raceway and Laguna Seca. The ProFormace Driving School was fun in Kent, WA when I lapped my daughter on the track (She was in a Lotus, I was in a Maita). You should go by the Pacific Raceway in Kent and show them your driving skills. I'm sure they would be impressed. Sadly, I did sell the Cobra in 2018. The Cobra cornered so hard it threw my neck out.

To be fair, we have two different opinions on FSD, and that is fine. I just hope FSD is perfected quickly, because as old as I am, I'm going to need a lot of help driving soon. Please drive safely!
Yep, I lived in Bellingham for over 32 years as well (not kidding), nice town but my wife and I decided to relocate before it turned into a city. Bottom line, it was getting too crowded/dense/urban for us.

On not liking the FSD, that's fine, everyone is different when it comes to driving preferences and styles. I'm not sure what the exact difference is in this case, but one thing I do know, is if it's scaring you, you probably shouldn't be using it. That's not safe.

And thanks for not having a mean response, I was simply trying to guess why our experiences with FSD were 180 degrees apart! I'll just leave it as a mystery so as to not offend you further.
 

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Personally I've never had a good experience with FSD, i really find it so pointless. i would never own it unless it was forced on me, like it is with Cybertruck, oh well the price i have to pay i guess...
 

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Personally I've never had a good experience with FSD, i really find it so pointless. i would never own it unless it was forced on me, like it is with Cybertruck, oh well the price i have to pay i guess...
Nobody is forcing you to buy anything. Maybe you should step aside and let a crowd of people who are more than happy with the offering take delivery.

Sometimes a product is so compelling it fools potential customers into believing they are being forced to buy it. Cars are always a package deal. Try buying an F-150 equipped with only the options you want. It's an excercise in futility. You always have to look at the whole package being offered and do what's right for you.

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Nobody is forcing you to buy anything. Maybe you should step aside and let a crowd of people who are more than happy with the offering take delivery.

Sometimes a product is so compelling it fools potential customers into believing they are being forced to buy it. Cars are always a package deal. Try buying an F-150 equipped with only the options you want. It's an excercise in futility. You always have to look at the whole package being offered and do what's right for you.

There is no shame in stepping aside and letting others go ahead of you!
haha

i (we) are in fact being forced to get FSD like it or not if you want the Cybertruck anytime soon. I can't even tell if you are being facetious or have a Kool-Aid hangover. luckily (for them) my desire to have the truck outweighs the dislike for FSD, but they already know that which is why FS is a thing, and god only knows how long it will be till it's even available.
 

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The Administrator has put together excellent tracking on the Submitted Orders List (which provides the data for the charts below).

Please enter your order data to the list and keep us all informed!

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How do we know which charts were last updated? It seems like you should put a "Last update: <date>" above each one or something. TIA!
 


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I update them all at once. Movement had slowed to a crawl so I thought there might not be any more invitations. I'll update later today.
 

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haha

i (we) are in fact being forced to get FSD like it or not if you want the Cybertruck anytime soon. I can't even tell if you are being facetious or have a Kool-Aid hangover. luckily (for them) my desire to have the truck outweighs the dislike for FSD, but they already know that which is why FS is a thing, and god only knows how long it will be till it's even available.
Get real man! That's like saying you are being forced to buy Ford wheels and a Ford truck bed when you buy a new F-150 or Ranger. What if you want to convert it to a 1/2-ton flatbed? Yep, you still have to buy the regular truck bed! It's a package deal and consumers can take it or leave it.

If you dislike FSD, you won't be using it. That means you think the Cybertruck hardware (without FSD) is worth a lot more than Tesla is asking for it. And I agree with you on that point.
 
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Probably the last update I will do. It was fun to document, but the flow of data has trickled, data cleanup is cumbersome, and the invites have slowed way down. I'll probably shift to charting deliveries next as soon as I find the time.

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Probably the last update I will do. It was fun to document, but the flow of data has trickled, data cleanup is cumbersome, and the invites have slowed way down. I'll probably shift to charting deliveries next as soon as I find the time. Cheers!
Appreciate all your efforts!
 

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Probably the last update I will do. It was fun to document, but the flow of data has trickled, data cleanup is cumbersome, and the invites have slowed way down. I'll probably shift to charting deliveries next as soon as I find the time.
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