First look @ Cybertruck vs. Rivian R1T vs. Lightning side-by-side comparison

[cvalue13]

The F-150 may have some futuristic looks, but to me it's undoubtedly descended from my grandfathers F-150 in 1967

Or mine

doesn’t bother me one bit

Room in my heart for lots of trucks, CT included

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[Woodrick]

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the Cybertruck doesn’t exactly look futuristic.

The Cybertruck was unveiled on Nov. 21, 2019, for a reason: that’s the date in the opening of Bladerunner, released in 1982.

The CT design is decidedly retro-futuristic, based largely on late 1970’s Italian modern concept cars.

Which is roughly 100 years before 2060

After just watching Blade Runner, while using dates close to now, the environment was no where like today.

Since that had flying vehicles, that means that they are not futuristic?

 

[cvalue13]

After just watching Blade Runner, while using dates close to now, the environment was no where like today.

Since that had flying vehicles, that means that they are not futuristic?

Love finally getting a glimpse at the CT inspiration board.

It partially confirms my long-held belief that the inspiration isn't merely "sci fi," it's specifically late 60's to late 70's auto design and prototype language.

When people talk about the CT looking "futuristic," I personally think they're looking the exactly wrong direction on the timeline. The CT looks positively late 1960's Italian prototype design language, for what people in the 1970's thought the future would look like.

I collect Italian modern furniture from this era, and while that doesn't include collecting vehicles, I'm roughly familiar with a lot of the forward-looking auto design from that era.

That era of car design is referred to as "the wedge era"

The vehicles shown are largely from this era (e.g., Delorean, bond's concept car-sub), the movies are trailing and reflecting this ear (bladerunner, robocop). And to the extent the moodboard shows modern boats, etc., those designs themselves are speaking the late 60s italian design language.


As with most things design of the time, the Italian's were at the forefront in the late 1960's, and the rest of the world caught up eventually throughout the 1970s and into the early 1980's.

'68 alfa romeo iguana:

1968 Alfa Romeo Carabo

'68 Bizzarrini Manta

'70 Ferrari Modulo

'67 Lamborghini Marzal

'70 Vauxhall SRV

'70 Lancia Stratos Zero

1971 Maserati Boomerang

Lamborghini Countach LP500 Prototype (1971)

1974 Lamborghini Bravo

1974 Lamborghini Countach

1976 Alfa Romeo Navajo

1969 Opel CD

1969 Toyota EX 3

1969 Mercedes C111

1970 VW-Porsche Tapiro

1972 BMW Turbo

1973 Audi Karmann Asso Di Picche

'76 Brubaker Box

'78 Benz CW3111

1979 Toyota FCX-80

1979 Dome Zero P2

1980 Citroën Karin

1980 Aston Martin Bulldog

And not to forget the 1978 concept by Curt Brubaker, in Penthouse, that some have pointed towards as the nearest conceptual precedessor to the CT:

 

[Woodrick]

Love finally getting a glimpse at the CT inspiration board.

But I don't remember any of those appearing in mass production. Most have been prototypes are priced too high for most buyers.

There's so much "futuristic design" that was created by SciFi in the last decade that, the creators have ended being conservative on the timeline. Even Back to the Future was showing things that are slowly getting closer to fruition.

Okay, is it is a retro-futuristic design, but as happened with the other Tesla models, I dare say that future vehicles will start copying it once the sales pass 1/2 million.

I remember so many people and manufacturers laughing at the large iPad on the dash, only to now be boasting 40-inch-wide displays. Tesla's phone as a key is now made it to commercials by another manufacturer as a marquee feature.

So from the term futuristic, I suspect that the Cybertruck will change auto design for many years to come.

You know that Detroit has been too chicken to create new designs. All they know how to do is make a vehicle bigger.

 

[FarAway]

The F-150 may have some futuristic looks, but to me it's undoubtedly descended from my grandfathers F-150 in 1967

I got to see a Lightning this week, (I was purchasing a 2010 Lariat from the new owner), he had already put 2500 miles on the Lightning was loving it. It really did look like a nice vehicle.... I would seriously consider it if I were not so enamored with the CT!

I think the "old school" looks are a necessary first step for some reluctant EV adapters to make the switch, comfortably. Consider it a "gateway" EV.

 

[Art O'Connor]

The Lightning looks like a Model T with an electric motor.

It IS "A Model T with an electric motor". Unlike Chevy, Rivian and Tesla, Ford just bolted electrics onto its existing F-150 frame, using Chinese components.

 

[Woodrick]

And that's where I sway away from it, even though my grandfather had a dealership.

While there are required new components, they had to slightly redo the frame to fit a battery the same way that Tesla does, there's a lot of the "Same ole" in the truck.
Ford did this because they "know" what the customers want.

Problem is, they don't know.

For Ford, who does what their customers want that mostly means increasing the size of EVERY vehicle each design year. Take a 1970 F-150 and put it next to today's F-150. OMG, that's a bad comparison. Put the 1970 Ford F-150 against today's small pickup, the Ranger What do mean it is still bigger?

I've had many Fords in my life, but it become harder and harder to stay with a brand that essentially sales only 2 vehicles, the F-150 and the new Bronco.

I really have a family loyalty to Ford and would be happy to go back.

But after putting a few thousand miles on a Tesla, I realize just how Model T the Ford company stil is.

Okay, there is one area in which Ford excels and Tesla sucks, paint color. Tesla seems to have adopted Henry Fords "You can have it in any color, as long as it is black" mentality. And Ford has some awesome palattes of color that they are using.

 

[Mini2nut]

The upcoming “clean sheet of paper” 2025 T3 F150 should be a home run for Ford. The current Lightning will only be around for 3-years.

 

[Woodrick]

The upcoming “clean sheet of paper” 2025 T3 F150 should be a home run for Ford. The current Lightning will only be around for 3-years.

I'm sorry, but the only way that it is a clean sheet, is if you let me trace the old one onto a clean sheet.
From what I can see, the truck is being designed to be manufacturable, which the Lightning really isn't. It's like the Model 3 when compared to the Model S. The Model 3 was designed to turn out millions of.

I guess that the current Lightning will be around for 3 years, assuming that they don't dwindle production to 0.

 

[Woodrick]

My statements refer to the vehicle size, not the passenger size.

I understand you predicament and hope that the Cybertruck can solve your issues.

You may want to try the Model Y and the Model X, they both have easier entry configurations.
And in case you didn't know it, Tesla does have an easy entry setting that can move the seat all the way back and down.

 

[Adrenalinwill]

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