Foundation Series Remorse

[Deleted member 8371]

I'm not saying anything about me. All I'm talking about is the truck and the facts around it and my experience of 9+ years driving EVs.

I'm sorry that you feel the need to stay on the forum and raise your blood pressure.

I'm taking the time out to look back and see just what was shown/said at the unveiling Tesla Cybertruck Unveil Event (Full) - YouTube . First, it's really obvious, than when compared to today's vehicle that that was a prototype, it has DOOR HANDLES! It also has very different treatment around the wheel wells, the charge port has been moved, they decreased the 0-60 from 2.9 to 2.6s, bed is no longer bare metal and...

Most importantly (a screen shot from the introduction event)

So it seems to me that unless you are buying the Cyberbeast, they met or exceeded the range that they estimated. And they even allow the AWD to use the Range Extender and get nearly 50% more than anticipated.
For the Cyberbeast, they missed the range (500+ -> 440+) but they are anticipating being able to meet it in the future.

Remember, these are Tesla indicated blended EPA numbers in both cases. They should never be considered the speed that YOU will get.

I have perfect BP, and it does show 500; it doesn't say anywhere that it will need to have an extender to get that number. This will be a toy for me I do not really need it, so I will wait to see if the mileage goes up. I have 10 years with solar, 2017 Model S, and I have 300 grand in Tesla stocks, the stock is actually paying for my truck, if I get it. So my BP is great, thanks for worrying about me. Have a nice day and a great new year. I will keep my ram 2500 until I get the truck I want. It's been fun.

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[TickTock]

I think I will only feel remorse if, in a year, Tesla announces the "500 mile" tri-motor. Other than that and price, it is more than what I hoped for.

 

[Crissa]

The thing is, 200 vs 500 mile range is relatively meaningless on local trips where city range comes into play, because there are chargers everywhere. The only scenario where the range actually becomes an issue is when people are driving 150+ miles, in inclement weather, and on the freeway where you aren’t allowed to drive 55mph… 70mph is a minimum speed when the posted limit is 75-80mph on many highways that have 100+ miles between chargers.

There are no highways you aren't allowed to drive 55 on unless the limit is lower.

And the number of 100+ mile gaps is fewer every week.

-Crissa

 

[Deleted member 17810]

the “Beast” is not the “Tri-Motor”

The “Beast” is an AWD version in “Plaid”


Tesla did not release the “Tri-motor.”

The released the equivalent of the “AWD,” plus a surprise performance version, plus a surprise range extender.

I don't understand this.

The tri motor is...three motors, the awd is two motors, no?

 

[Woodrick]

I can see why @cvalue may be confused. None of the public facing documents indicate tri-motor that I can see. It is even referred to on the main page as Drive: All Wheel Drive.

I suspect that he hasn't seen the configurator page, which is pretty obvious.

AWD can be 2, 3, or 4 motors.

 

[Saygmo]

There are no highways you aren't allowed to drive 55 on unless the limit is lower.

And the number of 100+ mile gaps is fewer every week.

-Crissa

I’ve appreciated reading your informed and logical posts while lurking these past several years, but this is patently false.
Anyways the point is, to get anywhere near quickly and at legal speeds, the ct is very suboptimal at this point. I can’t wait until someone opens up the bed near the middle of the truck, are there even provisions for the range extender pack? Monroe can’t get one soon enough!

 

[cvalue13]

I don't understand this.

The tri motor is...three motors, the awd is two motors, no?

that seems to be the source of DEEP confusion, which I can’t even understand

when people talk about the 2019 “Tri-Motor”, they’re referencing what for 4 years was the concept of a TRIM level. Yes, it happened to have three motors. But when people say eg “the ‘Tri-Motor’ was supposed to have 500mi range, 14K towing, and 3500lb payload,’ they are evidencing that they’re aren’t talking about the happenstance that a vehicle configuration has three motors. They’re talking about the substance of the trim package that Tesla presented, which Tesla merely happened to call “Tri-Motor” in 2019.

Imagine in 2019 they instead called that trim package the “Cybertruck LR/HD.”

And the separate trim, with 300mi range, lower towing, etc., they instead called the “Base CT.”

And from there it goes like this:

• for 4 years people talk about the “Base”, vs the “LR/HD.”​

• on Nov 30, ‘23, Musk unveils two offerings:​

(1) a CT with 340mi, 11K towing, and 3.9 sec 0-60, called the “Base”​

(2) a CT with 320mi, 11K towing, and 2.9sec 0-60, called the “Plus”​

Nobody would be saying “the Plus is a failed version of the “LR/HD”

It would be crystal clear that Tesla didn’t make the “LR/HD”

Instead, they made the “Base” and also offer a “Plus” version that is just a fast version of the Base - just like the Model S Plaid is just the fast version of the Model S.






The only sympathy I have for this confusion is that Tesla named the 2019 LR/HD *thing* after how many motors it would have, and then for 4 years people talked about it strictly in those terms - and now in ‘23 they can’t manage to snap out of that framework and realize that the *thing* in 2019 was only arbitrarily named after how many motors it had.

The 2019 LR/HD *thing* was a duck.

The ‘23 *thing* doesn’t walk like a duck, doesn’t swim like a duck, and doesn’t quack like a duck.

It’s irrelevant that the ‘23 *thing* also has feathers.

 

[cvalue13]

I can see why @cvalue may be confused.

I’m not confused about sh*t

the fact there are three motors is arbitrary and irrelevant

the unveiled roadster has three motors and goes fast. The “Beast” has three motors and goes fast.

it doesn’t mean the Beast is a “failed” version of the Roadster.

The ‘23 Beast is not some “failed” version of the ‘19 “Tri-Motor”

the ‘23 Beast a completely different trim offering, and the ‘19 “Tri-Motor” never made it to production.

Who is confused is anyone that doesn’t understand that simple point.

 

[Jon Snow]

Is anyone else having serious concerns/remorse on the foundation series range? I completed my down payment Christmas eve, and since have been seeing range tests maxing out around 250 miles on the freeway.

I currently have a 2022 Model S long range (405 mile range) and have done the trip Milwaukee to New Orleans. All went well and I felt 400 miles was enough to comfortably stop and recharge every 3-4 hours.

I was planning to use the CyberTruck to travel to Florida frequently. Having to stop every 2 hours kind of changes the dynamic of the trip.

Do you think we have anyway of getting out the 1k down payment considering the range seems to not be what was advertised?

Drive slower. If you drive 70-80 mph you loose 20% range in anything.

 

[Woodrick]

I’ve appreciated reading your informed and logical posts while lurking these past several years, but this is patently false.
Anyways the point is, to get anywhere near quickly and at legal speeds, the ct is very suboptimal at this point. I can’t wait until someone opens up the bed near the middle of the truck, are there even provisions for the range extender pack? Monroe can’t get one soon enough!

That's because you are thinking like an ICE drivers.

You got to think like an EV driver, different rules apply. Driving from 80% to 10% is the slowest way to get there on long trips.

 

[Saygmo]

Drive slower. If you drive 70-80 mph you loose 20% range in anything.

70mph (driving at the speed limit) with 400-500 mile epa range means you can easily make a 250-300 mile 3-4 hour drive without stopping to charge. Nice, easy, stress free road trip. Charge at destination. With the ct, not so much. There’s convenience, then there’s safety…have any of you arguing for driving 55-60mph on freeways with truckers flying past you at 70mph ever actually driven around crowded west coast highways?

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