Hardware 4 being introduced with the Cybertruck

[charliemagpie]

Ah, yes. Sell the base robot for $20,000 and then sell the features separately. (or worse, sell subscriptions).

Burger flipper module - $5,000
Vacuuming module - $1,000 (vacuum not included)
Lawn mowing module - $1,000 (mower not included)
Car wash module - $7,500
Chauffeur module (aka FSD) - $15,000
Sous Chef - $10,000
Master Chef - $20,000

Yep.. App will spawn a new industry (Until AGI lol)
Dojo will facilitate developers.
We may even have a Subscription service a la Netflix to access thousands of 'learned tasks' for $20 a month.

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I believe if people have most of what they need, crime goes down. ( Of course not all crimes apply)

And in a world of plenty, not that far away... perhaps it is us who would like to live where today's immigrants are coming from.


I don't think it's wrong btw for people to have pride in one's country. Not all such debates have to be driven by the far left.
There is enough middle ground for everyone to fit in.

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[FutureBoy]

With Optimus the opposite occurs, because Optimus has no demands on the economy to improve its own well being.

The singularity might have something to say about that.

 

[JBee]

If it does say something about that at all, we will likely be the last to hear anything about it.

Somewhat ironically, in regards to Optimus, the origin of the word robot comes from Czech and means "forced labour".

 

[SparkChaser]

Yep.. App will spawn a new industry (Until AGI lol)
Dojo will facilitate developers.
We may even have a Subscription service a la Netflix to access thousands of 'learned tasks' for $20 a month.

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I believe if people have most of what they need, crime goes down. ( Of course not all crimes apply)

And in a world of plenty, not that far away... perhaps it is us who would like to live where today's immigrants are coming from.


I don't think it's wrong btw for people to have pride in one's country. Not all such debates have to be driven by the far left.
There is enough middle ground for everyone to fit in.

But capitalisms is not built for a world of plenty. Only with supply and demand. Those that can afford the benefits will Only Increase the disparity. Raising the price and limiting access are the nuts and bolts of a consumer driven machine. IMHO.

 

[JBee]

But capitalisms is not built for a world of plenty. Only with supply and demand. Those that can afford the benefits will Only Increase the disparity. Raising the price and limiting access are the nuts and bolts of a consumer driven machine. IMHO.

That's why the economy needs to change as well. Can't hold onto the old whilst reaching for the new. People need to start changing their ideas from the ground up, and that will start with redefining what the economy is. EM makes this clear.

 

[SparkChaser]

That's why the economy needs to change as well. Can't hold onto the old whilst reaching for the new. People need to start changing their ideas from the ground up, and that will start with redefining what the economy is. EM makes this clear.

And just how are you going to do that, I am very progressive and the answer of how to create a path that gets us from where we are to where we should, need, want to be is just not going to be allowed by the money, big corporations and those that do better by stopping progress. The US seems to be in this terrible feed back loop and it is only getting worse.

 

[CyberGus]

This is the only bot I need

 

[JBee]

In audio mixing the first thing you do with a feedback loop is "turn the volume down".

The same with politics, media, and any other corporate advertising for consumption of things you don't need or want etc.

More is not always good, and although everyone can have a opinion and perspective, not all things should be politicized and used for blunt force bias propagation.

Economically, the basis for supply and demand to work at all, is the ability to trade. Modulating how trade occurs, especially for your own benefit, by being more self-reliant and productive, limits the control others have over your "trades".

I believe the solution starts from the ground up.
Both literally and figuratively.

Where you live. What you own. What you can do with what you own. Who you do what with where you are. You, family, friends, community, country, world. In that order of change.

Act within the realms that you can have influence. Promote others to do the same in theirs.

No matter what you do in life you have to do it somewhere. Pick a good spot that allows you to follow your dreams and then put in the hard work to make it so. Change costs effort, but the cost of not changing in time, will cost more.

Practically, this means to look for ways to be self-reliant and not be dependent on the transactions of money for living. This will result in less funneling of power through money to the top and a more equal base, and give you some certainty and confidence for your existence, as it will also for others.

Remember the only real currency is time. You can only spend it once, so be prudent to spend it on the right things, because you will never be getting it back. Then ask; is my work meaningful, or just a means to an end? Act accordingly.

One way is to start by opening your account statement and make a pie chart of where you money is going, that you spend all that time on. You'll see that the main factors are:
1 Housing
2 Food
3 Transport (or healthcare depending on where you live and your health)
4 Utilities

Which of those are you self reliant with or are paying for? The aim is to transfer the control of those things to yourself, the more self-reliant, the more control you have. The more dependent, the more you have to conform to the will of currency. Start with the low hanging fruit if your living situation allows it, things like food. Then reduce and offset utilities as best as possible and look for alternatives for reducing transport usage and consumption etc.

Then think earnestly and be certain you are in a place that you can fulfill your dreams and desires. For you and your family and even friends. But don't let any one or any one thing hold you back.

If your living circumstances don't allow you to pursue your dreams or goals, move. If your job doesn't fulfill your needs or desires, move. Never let a place hold you down either. Life is by definition "in motion". But when you find that place that has the potential you yearn for, stay.

Then take as many like minded people with you or make friends with those that already are, to become good stewards of the planet, and our combined future. Seed with hope and opportunities to thrive. Water with forgiveness, kindness, respect and a passion to change the future for the better. Grow.

Anyways, these are the musing of a man on a mower on a mission to make hay.

 

[Crissa]

Immigration is not the only solution. Figure out how to manage a declining population.

It's just one solution. The more connections there are, the better we are in the world.

-Crissa

 

[charliemagpie]

Philosophy is warm and fuzzy

The cold reality is money will be no longer required because technology will make it redundant, not people per se.

Which is sad to think about it. But I take it whichever way it comes. Technology will ultimately deliver humanity to humans.

 

[JBee]

Philosophy is warm and fuzzy

The cold reality is money will be no longer required because technology will make it redundant, not people per se.

Which is sad to think about it. But I take it whichever way it comes. Technology will ultimately deliver humanity to humans.

This might be true if we have the right levers, and the right people on those levers.

Technology is a lever on the environment to enact our will.

There's a chicken an egg problem or two in there, in that technology development is currently supported predominantly by the control and manipulation of currency. A debt on society that provokes productivity by "legally" forcing credit through fractional lending.

Many technologies only exist because they are viable at attracting lending and funding, in the primary goal of producing profits for investors.

It's only when technology is no longer bound, or at least less restrained by currency, that it has the capacity to change that relationship and dictate the terms of the arrangement.

The whole premise of retail marketing is flawed, as is the progression of lending regulation, that offers not much more than props to maintain a collapsing overall financial system, that has been milked of any natural stability.

There is no longer much kudos for innovation. You can see this by how massive Tesla had to become before embarking on Optimus, or SpaceX for Starship. No bank in their right mind would ever finance this from the concept stage, but they can do it themselves by cashflow and borrowing against their other products and services.

And this leads back to the other chicken and egg problem, there is no technology without human innovation, and human innovation can only exist with food on the table and enough free time to pursue such vision for change. So as with all artificial manmade systems, the human factor is the most important thing in the loop to make positive change. "How we do what" is the only instrument to change these man-made things, as technology, in as of itself, lacks the design and will input to do so.

The alternative is that nature no longer supports those systems...or us.

So if we pursue the path of decisive sustainable technology development for positive change, it must originate from mankind, by leveraging whatever wisdom it has at that point in time.

Any technology, at most, can only accelerate change but can't be the architect of it.

As for philosophy, it's fairly meaningless without influence of the natural world. Hence the practical examples.

 

[Tinker71]

Winter is Coming.

Central Texas absorbed thousands of "Climate Change Refugees" from Katrina-ravaged New Orleans. How many from Florida will choose to relocate rather than rebuild?

When the refugees arrive, should we tell them it's their own fault for not planning ahead for their rivers to stop flowing and lakes to dry up? That they should water their crops with their children's tears?

I suppose opinion is moot, since the USA is a signatory of the "UN Refugee Convention" and codified treatment of refugees with Refugee Act of 1980.

Florida must really be nice. They have a mega storm like this every 10 years and a few people might move away for a few years only to move back with their friends for increased population in hurricane country.

Thankfully we are still a United States so our citizens can do this. National flood insurance kicks in and the citizens of Florida get nice new infrastructure at the expense of the rest of the nation.

This will happen with increasing frequency and devastation. Add a foot of sea level and they are really going to be in trouble.

This relates to the Anti EV movement because a fair amount of the global warming deniers are also anti EV. AKA DeSantis. Yet here they are with their hands out asking for help only to ICE block and spout rubbish about climate change before and after.

Florida needs to think about how they rebuild. Some areas should not be rebuilt. Codes need to be stronger or enforced. They won't. Too much government. So the government haters will eventually get multi billion dollars pumped in from the interior states to build their dikes and flood control.

 

[Tinker71]

That's why the economy needs to change as well. Can't hold onto the old whilst reaching for the new. People need to start changing their ideas from the ground up, and that will start with redefining what the economy is. EM makes this clear.

Now on a completely selfish note. When to get out of TSLA? If the economy is trending towards some redefinition to a land of plenty(engineered by EM) it has to be some socialist derivative. Not everyone can be the engineers and architects of this new society. It sounds like most of us will be consumers at the mercy of the former.

EM is an interesting cat. The wealth and luxury are not too important to him. Although it is probably nice to use the jet to hang with friends in Greece for the weekend. The power to influence change is very important though. His vision with Omnibot, Robotaxi, Crypto, and Machine learning in general will eventually wipe out the economy as we know it. TSLA$ is supported by all this. So the value will eventually go down with the rest of the market.

Since TSLA will control much of this. It might still be good to own. IDK. There will still be a 2 tier system, it would be nice to be on the side with real choice. Who am I kidding. My .0001% stake doesn't mean much. I should by a CT or 2.

 

[JBee]

Now on a completely selfish note. When to get out of TSLA? If the economy is trending towards some redefinition to a land of plenty(engineered by EM) it has to be some socialist derivative. Not everyone can be the engineers and architects of this new society. It sounds like most of us will be consumers at the mercy of the former.

EM is an interesting cat. The wealth and luxury are not too important to him. Although it is probably nice to use the jet to hang with friends in Greece for the weekend. The power to influence change is very important though. His vision with Omnibot, Robotaxi, Crypto, and Machine learning in general will eventually wipe out the economy as we know it. TSLA$ is supported by all this. So the value will eventually go down with the rest of the market.

Since TSLA will control much of this. It might still be good to own. IDK. There will still be a 2 tier system, it would be nice to be on the side with real choice. Who am I kidding. My .0001% stake doesn't mean much. I should by a CT or 2.

Gosh that took a quick turn.

But not so fast. If our history since the moon is anything to go by, it's quite possible that the abundance phase will take another 20-30 years, maybe even 2-3 generations. It's not all smooth sailing because one man might have a plan, if at all if this is the plan, or the full extent of it at all. But you have to start somewhere and maybe if our grandkids get a chance to live in it, its a win.

Stock should be fine until some larger global cages start rattling, but if you're concerned that the "abundance" is not enough for you, then invest in land. There's only so much available, and everybody has to do whatever they do somewhere. This of course only works if we still have private ownership of such resources...but hey that might take even longer to get rid of.

But seriously, any "convertible" note is only as good as the ability to convert it into something you need or want, at that time. Paper might just be worth paper, bits just some bytes. Land is directly usable, you can live and sustain yourself there, it's profitable with the right industry on it, and a store of value all at the same time. So long your country, or section of it, can survive the change. Don't buy land to speculate, buy to develop it so it is useful to yourself and others too. That will give it value.

Have a plan for 1, 5 and 10 years out. By the time you get to year 5, half of your 10 year plan has probably happened, changed or adapted. (Or should of?)

But in all these things stay mobile and have a redundancy buffer or two. No matter how bad it is somewhere, somewhere else can be better. Distribute and diversify.

On choice: preparedness determines the future choices you will have. Many failures are a series of poor compounding choices. A future of abundance means you should have more time to be creative, and have unique ideas that can promote positive change. Don't sell yourself short, the universe is huge, and possibilities endless.

Now where on earth were we with CT getting v4 hardware?

 

[Dids]

Now on a completely selfish note. When to get out of TSLA? If the economy is trending towards some redefinition to a land of plenty(engineered by EM) it has to be some socialist derivative. Not everyone can be the engineers and architects of this new society. It sounds like most of us will be consumers at the mercy of the former.

EM is an interesting cat. The wealth and luxury are not too important to him. Although it is probably nice to use the jet to hang with friends in Greece for the weekend. The power to influence change is very important though. His vision with Omnibot, Robotaxi, Crypto, and Machine learning in general will eventually wipe out the economy as we know it. TSLA$ is supported by all this. So the value will eventually go down with the rest of the market.

Since TSLA will control much of this. It might still be good to own. IDK. There will still be a 2 tier system, it would be nice to be on the side with real choice. Who am I kidding. My .0001% stake doesn't mean much. I should by a CT or 2.

So why would you need to get out of $tsla? If it is an age of plenty why do you need the money?

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