I ordered a SIX seater, not FIVE seats

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I don't think it looks like an eyesore anymore than a normal armrest.
I'm not sure what functionality you gain without the center seat (maybe deeper storage) but I know what functionality you lose.
Regarding the coffee statement; every full-size truck I've been in has additional cup holders that slide out from under the center seat. Yup right where someone sitting in that seat would put their feet, so they just have to straddle it and politely hand your coffee to you as needed...or hold your coffee for you. In either case...not really the driver's concern as your beverage will be available.

One last point on why I prefer having the center seat, and I know this is not a common use, but it is a way I use my truck now. I sleep sideways in the front of the truck during bow season a couple of nights per year. The bed is full of coolers and crap. The back seat of the truck has my bags, bow, boots, etc. I'm 5'11". I can sleep sideways in a full-size truck. I'm not saying I sleep great that way, but it's more convenient that way when running out of the house at the last minute to get a hunt in and not have to set up/tear down a tent in the dark after a couple-hour drive.
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The only reason I was looking forward to the middle seat is that the seat back would keep my 80 lb. dog from standing on my arm rest for the entire trip. 😆
Get the dog a proper belt harness or retraining net.

Don't want them flying about if something makes you come to a sudden stop.

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If it doesn't travel in the raised position.... Why is is tapered at the front bottom? If no person can sit there why is the wall protecting the pedals not a solid storage console under the dash?
no proclaiming authority here, instead only explaining a different read of the available photos:

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Note the floorboard feature is more akin to this:

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If I were trying to guess why they would go with this more open floorboard concept rather than a full stack console like an F150 (for argument’s sake):

• it’s aesthetically more in line with the minimalism we’d exoecr

• it provides a sense of space and airiness (like a coffee table with glass top and spindle legs vs a similarly sized block of wood table)

• it’s otherwise unnecessary, as there is no transmission linkage in that area of the truck (unlike many 1/2 ton trucks with a huge floor console - and as was a head-scratching decision to Lightning owners until realizing Ford was minimizing need of alternate OEM parts)

Or, as I mentioned before, all the above is true but also the design permits of an option to completely replace the front row bucket seats with instead a 40/20/40 bench.

Viewing this truck’s configuration as prohibiting a 6th seat (eg with wide bucket seats, too narrow a console), does not necessitate that there aren’t entirely different front row configurations.
 


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The width of the front doors seems a key to the seat reduction. Is is just to provide a cushy armrest or does the front need a lot more side impact protection than the back?
 

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The original prototype had a wide center console that could flip up to function as a jumpseat. This wide jumpseat/center console is shown in the first two pictures below:
an even better, more telling, photo of the early 6-seat proto center:

Tesla Cybertruck I ordered a SIX seater, not FIVE seats 645CE121-6936-4A37-8C5F-71FAC77BC894


Note that the above width is not only obviously more substantial, but the design has features that - for other reason of form factor besides necessary width - are common to 40/20/40 configurations (as I posted above from Ford, GM, Toyota, Ram):

• it has three cupholders across
• it has a headrest
• it has horizontal division line that runs parallel to the other seats, so that when it opens the jumpseat is at the same level

but to reiterate as much as I’m inclined to say about the 6 seat vs 5 seat kerfuffle:

• the exact “pre-production beta” shown at investor day does not contain a 6th seat, and doesn’t have room to replace the console with a jumpseat

• that does not mean the exact same dimensions truck could not have an option to replace this entire bucket front seat + console configuration instead with a 40/20/40 bench seat configuration

• nor does it mean that this exact “pre production beta” is finalized

That said, it is still interesting and perhaps forecasting to know that at this late stage they’re making whatsoever a Mr least one beta configuration without 6 seats.

And I’d note further that, given the apparent dimensions of the BACK seats, which middle appears as narrow as midsized trucks rather than full sized trucks (see below), that even if they offer an alternative front 40/20/40 bench configuration it suggests that could be a ‘real tight’ fit unless the shoulder width in the front row is significant larger than the rear row (possible given wedge shapes of the truck).

Investor Day CT back seat (which given the visible midline of the middle headrest, one can extrapolate the overall width of the middle seat relative to the full seats):

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compare to eg the Rivian back seat - which is what it looks like to have Hip Room of 54.2 rear and Shoulder Room of 58.9 rear

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Compared to the rear of an F150 with Hip Room of 62.6 rear and Shoulder Room of 66 rear

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To my eye, what (admittedly) little we can see of the investor day CT rear seat scale appears far more akin to the Rivian side of the above scale than the F150 side of the scale
 
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an even better, more telling, photo of the early 6-seat proto center:

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Note that the above width is not only obviously more substantial, but the design has features that - for other reason of form factor besides necessary width - are common to 40/20/40 configurations (as I posted above from Ford, GM, Toyota, Ram):

• it has three cupholders across
• it has a headrest
• it has horizontal division line that runs parallel to the other seats, so that when it opens the jumpseat is at the same level

but to reiterate as much as I’m inclined to say about the 6 seat vs 5 seat kerfuffle:

• the exact “pre-production beta” shown at investor day does not contain a 6th seat, and doesn’t have room to replace the console with a jumpseat

• that does not mean the exact same dimensions truck could not have an option to replace this entire bucket front seat + console configuration instead with a 40/20/40 bench seat configuration

• nor does it mean that this exact “pre production beta” is finalized

That said, it is still interesting and perhaps forecasting to know that at this late stage they’re making whatsoever a Mr least one beta configuration without 6 seats.

And I’d note further that, given the apparent dimensions of the BACK seats, which middle appears as narrow as midsized trucks rather than full sized trucks (see below), that even if they offer an alternative front 40/20/40 bench configuration it suggests that could be a ‘real tight’ fit unless the shoulder width in the front row is significant larger than the rear row (possible given wedge shapes of the truck).

Investor Day CT back seat (which given the visible midline of the middle headrest, one can extrapolate the overall width of the middle seat relative to the full seats):

4297807D-9E4D-45FA-B475-28ACE6B2F7E8.jpeg


compare to eg the Rivian back seat - which is what it looks like to have Hip Room of 54.2 rear and Shoulder Room of 58.9 rear

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Compared to the rear of an F150 with Hip Room of 62.6 rear and Shoulder Room of 66 rear

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To my eye, what (admittedly) little we can see of the investor day CT rear seat scale appears far more akin to the Rivian side of the above scale than the F150 side of the scale
If the Cybertruck is Rivian sized, either its body has gotten super-thick or ... well, its exoskeleton got super-thick.

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If the Cybertruck is Rivian sized, either its body has gotten super-thick or ... well, its exoskeleton got super-thick.

-Crissa
All the above and/or that the geometric nature of the external dimensions causes pinch points in the internal dimensions.

Once you “flatten” the interior for those internal pinch points for interior ergonomic reasons, it causes there to be at least portions of the external envelope that are more spaced out from the interior. Just a cartoon sketch not meant to be convincing but instead directionally point to the idea:


Tesla Cybertruck I ordered a SIX seater, not FIVE seats 7880CB91-A6EC-4C4F-BC48-65AECD305334



In the above pic, the exterior geometry with an apex at the fender flare (red arrow) establishes the reported max vehicle width spec of the vehicle. On paper, let’s say that spec is 80”

But that same exterior geometry - established by a jutting-out portion, can be unrelated to the interior envelope (green line), and the delta (blue arrow) can be significant.
 

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You know how model y can be 7 seats or 5 seats.... Maybe it's an option.....
 

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The only reason I was looking forward to the middle seat is that the seat back would keep my 80 lb. dog from standing on my arm rest for the entire trip. 😆
I don't like center console cup holders. My dog is of the opinion that adding drool to the top makes it better.
 

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All the above and/or that the geometric nature of the external dimensions causes pinch points in the internal dimensions.

Once you “flatten” the interior for those internal pinch points for interior ergonomic reasons, it causes there to be at least portions of the external envelope that are more spaced out from the interior. Just a cartoon sketch not meant to be convincing but instead directionally point to the idea:


7880CB91-A6EC-4C4F-BC48-65AECD305334.jpeg



In the above pic, the exterior geometry with an apex at the fender flare (red arrow) establishes the reported max vehicle width spec of the vehicle. On paper, let’s say that spec is 80”

But that same exterior geometry - established by a jutting-out portion, can be unrelated to the interior envelope (green line), and the delta (blue arrow) can be significant.
If the truck is 80" wide, how wide is that Human shoulder?

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Would have to be one hell of a sweet console for me to prefer it over the middle bench seat.
I want to wax nostalgic about my Dads old Ford Fairlane.
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