Is it true that cybertruck does not have stand alone autopilot ?

[PhilEsq]

After using FSD, I can't do without it! I just got an X and will have to subscribe to FSD.

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[roadrunner32]

After using FSD, I can't do without it! I just got an X and will have to subscribe to FSD.

Yep, I agree.

 

[roadrunner32]

I guess the same thing could be said for legacy trucks that don't have AutoPilot either!

And, no, BlueCruise and GM's Cruise don't count. Just lame. If someone tells you they are just as good, if not better, they don't know what they're talking about.

Most people who think they want AutoPilot would be even happier with FSD. Yeah, it's not free, it cost a ton to develop. Not offering AutoPilot on the Cybertruck is probably a strategy to sell more FSD, considering what a great truck the Cybertruck is for the price, since Tesla is probably somewhere around break-even in the $70K range.

I think the $70K range is at least on par with luxury ICE trucks. I wonder what is the least expensive trucks that have the ride comfort of air ride suspension like cybertrucks. (is air ride suspension the correct terminology?)

 

[HaulingAss]

I wonder what is the least expensive trucks that have the ride comfort of air ride suspension like cybertrucks. (is air ride suspension the correct terminology?)

You will not find a single truck on the market anywhere that has a payload capacity of 2500 lbs. and rides anywhere near as smooth as the Cybertruck. Suspension is quite complicated and goes far beyond, "Does it have air suspension".

For example, all versions of the Cybertruck have active damping control. This entails each damper (or shock absorber) having two hydraulic valves (eight valves in total) that can be individually electronically controlled to suit both instantaneous road conditions and user preferences. This is a feature of high-end luxury cars, it's not typically found on pickup trucks unless you spend $110K-$150K for a Ford F-150 Raptor R.

And while the air suspension provides active control of the spring rate, the suspension geometry is equally important. The Cybertruck has very little "bump steer" which means it holds a cleaner line through rugged terrain or bumpy paved corners. Bump steer is when the suspension steers differently when compressed vs. extended such that the hitting of a bump will change the line of the vehicle.

Tesla engineers took advantage of the packaging flexibility allowed by an EV drivetrain to maximize the length of the A-arms which has important advantages for ride comfort, reduction in bump steer and an increased range of ride heights while minimizing uneven tire wear such as Rivian owners are seeing when they run too many miles with a low ride height. This was achieved with clever engineering and packaging of the drive units to achieve longer half-shafts.

In short, there is no "correct" terminology to describe the suspension on the Cybertruck, it's it's own thing. Yes, it has an air suspension. Yes, it has active dampers. Yes, it has an optimized geometry that is coupled to an exceptionally rigid chassis with very low amounts of twist and flex, even when heavily loaded. Yes, it has software to control this on-the-fly.

IMO, no other truck is even close in terms of versatility and capabilities.

 

[roadrunner32]

You will not find a single truck on the market anywhere that has a payload capacity of 2500 lbs. and rides anywhere near as smooth as the Cybertruck. Suspension is quite complicated and goes far beyond, "Does it have air suspension".

For example, all versions of the Cybertruck have active damping control. This entails each damper (or shock absorber) having two hydraulic valves (eight valves in total) that can be individually electronically controlled to suit both instantaneous road conditions and user preferences. This is a feature of high-end luxury cars, it's not typically found on pickup trucks unless you spend $110K-$150K for a Ford F-150 Raptor R.

And while the air suspension provides active control of the spring rate, the suspension geometry is equally important. The Cybertruck has very little "bump steer" which means it holds a cleaner line through rugged terrain or bumpy paved corners. Bump steer is when the suspension steers differently when compressed vs. extended such that the hitting of a bump will change the line of the vehicle.

Tesla engineers took advantage of the packaging flexibility allowed by an EV drivetrain to maximize the length of the A-arms which has important advantages for ride comfort, reduction in bump steer and an increased range of ride heights while minimizing uneven tire wear such as Rivian owners are seeing when they run too many miles with a low ride height. This was achieved with clever engineering and packaging of the drive units to achieve longer half-shafts.

In short, there is no "correct" terminology to describe the suspension on the Cybertruck, it's it's own thing. Yes, it has an air suspension. Yes, it has active dampers. Yes, it has an optimized geometry that is coupled to an exceptionally rigid chassis with very low amounts of twist and flex, even when heavily loaded. Yes, it has software to control this on-the-fly.

IMO, no other truck is even close in terms of versatility and capabilities.

Thank You, Thank you! I like your list of attributes, and I doubt my friends RAM truck that he says he paid over $110k for.

 

[PhilEsq]

If you have the Foundation Series, you get FSD and don't need autopilot. Before FSD was pushed through to the CT, it had TAC, not autopilot, because the CT was too new. Maybe it has autopilot now? I haven't looked because I would rather use FSD. Autopilot is for the highway. If you don't want to use FSD on local roads, just use it on the highway. It's the same as autopilot except that it will also change lanes and take you on and off the highway.

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