Maybe Single motor is all you need?

[jerhenderson]

@jerhenderson picking up on your Subaru “ice” experience regarding AWD/RWD here. Ordered CT when living in Tesuque. Spent 9 years in UTAH. Its famous for ice - black ice!

NOTHING can help you on ice and black ice is the worst case since you can’t see it. AWD-CT is the better choice as it helps on-ice to keep cf in straightline - IF you are moving. Subaru’s AWD is the best I’ve driven on ice. Owned ‘76 and ‘79 wagons shift on the fly. They saved my ass more times than I care to admit. If you didn’t like Subaru, you are going to be disappointed when CT spins all fours on ice. My worst ice was it bringing momentum to a halt then helplessly watching the car slide off the side of a mountain into puckerbrush. You can not standup on black ice. 4x4, AWD, posi-trac, et. al. no use at all.

Doubt studs would overcome momentum once you’re sliding on black ice to stop a truck from going over the edge. They definitely dig through snow and snow packed icey roads to get you unstuck, moving again. Keep tire treads fresh, air down, carry sand and pray you don’t get surprised.

Being a northern Canadian I can attest to plenty of black ice experience and studs make a huge difference, with even more benefit when installed on good winter rated tires. Driving to match the weather conditions is also key - studs won't save an idiot driving too fast.

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[mggoulet]

hahaha - there's like nothing between us but trees and moose so I need the range.

We really need more and more range as it is suggested to charge no more than 80% and in winter the range will be reduce... and we do not see supercharger in bushes...!!!

 

[drscot]

We really need more and more range as it is suggested to charge no more than 80% and in winter the range will be reduce... and we do not see supercharger in bushes...!!!

Put it in reverse and 'unuse' the power? Hold the brake pedal down for "regenerative braking"? LOL!

 

[ev4me]

I'm in the same boat. I don't think resale is an issue.

I have a reservation for a single based on my current driving habits. The risk is, what will be future driving habits be??? Might need more range. Conversely, by the time I get my truck, will there be level 7.25555 charging stations?? So now, the single is adequate.

 

[Ehninger1212]

I really think the Single motor is gonna drop from the lineup and we are going to end up with a dual motor and a motor long range.. just a wild guess..

 

[Crissa]

We really need more and more range as it is suggested to charge no more than 80% and in winter the range will be reduce... and we do not see supercharger in bushes...!!!

You're not in the 'bushes' every day. So the day you go out there, charge to 100%. Then use that top twenty percent getting out into the bush.

I really think the Single motor is gonna drop from the lineup and we are going to end up with a dual motor and a motor long range.. just a wild guess..

Depends on whether they are still battery constrained. I hope they can catch up to demand.

-Crissa

 

[Ehninger1212]

Depends on whether they are still battery constrained. I hope they can catch up to demand.

-Crissa

I believe they will!

 

[CyberT]

Additionally, it's best to extend the battery life of the car by keeping the battery charged between 30%-70% of capacity. My daily charged is to 80% to make sure I can drive back and forth to work, and out to dinner after (this includes phantom drain during parking time at work). I've rarely experienced "range anxiety" with my car in the 5 years that I've owned it. Charging at home is awesome! But, if I have 500+ mile range, I can easily stay in that 30%-70% charge sweet spot for everything but my longest drive.

Fatcat220 has an excellent point that many new Tesla buyers are not privy to.
The SM CT will likely have 270-280 EPA mile range (with the 4680 cells). But a couple pieces of info that we need to keep in mind.

1: EPA ranges are basically driving like grandma. In Southern California we typically always drive 5-10 mph over the speed limit. and lets face it, we will all smash that accelerator pedal down to the ground more than we should. I still do at least once per drive because it's awesome and I still get the "Tesla Smile" every time lol.

2: We do not drive our vehicles 100% - 0%. To extend the life of your battery its best to keep the SOC between 20% - 80%

3: Battery degradation. With my Model 3, I experienced a 2% drop almost immediately and over the last 2+ years i'm sitting around 4-5% degradation where it has stayed consistent and is in line with some of the other higher mileage Model 3s out there.

So let's do the math. Single Motor will likely have 270 ish miles of range but in real world driving its more like 240 ish. and then keeping the CT between 20% & 80% will take your daily range down to 48 - 192 miles. That's roughly 150 miles of daily driving. Of course you can use the entire 240 miles if needed but its not ideal.

Bottom line is buy as much battery as you can afford.

 

[Blue Steel]

Fatcat220 has an excellent point that many new Tesla buyers are not privy to.
The SM CT will likely have 270-280 EPA mile range (with the 4680 cells). But a couple pieces of info that we need to keep in mind.

1: EPA ranges are basically driving like grandma. In Southern California we typically always drive 5-10 mph over the speed limit. and lets face it, we will all smash that accelerator pedal down to the ground more than we should. I still do at least once per drive because it's awesome and I still get the "Tesla Smile" every time lol.

2: We do not drive our vehicles 100% - 0%. To extend the life of your battery its best to keep the SOC between 20% - 80%

3: Battery degradation. With my Model 3, I experienced a 2% drop almost immediately and over the last 2+ years i'm sitting around 4-5% degradation where it has stayed consistent and is in line with some of the other higher mileage Model 3s out there.

So let's do the math. Single Motor will likely have 270 ish miles of range but in real world driving its more like 240 ish. and then keeping the CT between 20% & 80% will take your daily range down to 48 - 192 miles. That's roughly 150 miles of daily driving. Of course you can use the entire 240 miles if needed but its not ideal.

Bottom line is buy as much battery as you can afford.

I can push back on a few of these points.

1: Yes, if you drive on the freeway and/or in cold weather your range will take a hit. But it's not guaranteed that you will be driving on the freeway or in cold weather. My daily commute is 30 miles round trip and I barely sniff 55 mph. Ideal EV speeds. And I'm in Oregon which has ideal EV temps. My family recently drove to the Oregon coast and then headed down the 101 to California. We came near rated range because the average speed limit was below 40mph on this trip. This was about 750 miles round trip.

2: For daily driving, no. But when you need range is on road trips. And I absolutely do drive 100% -0%. Well, probably more like 3%. I leave my house at 100% and often return home under 5%. But again, not really worth worrying about for most daily commuters.

3: No argument here.

I have a dual motor res and have thought about switching to tri-motor. But if I'm honest with myself the single motor will almost always meet my needs.

The downside of "buy as much battery as you can afford" is that 95%+ of the time you are packing around way more battery than you need.

 

[ev4me]

I really think the Single motor is gonna drop from the lineup and we are going to end up with a dual motor and a motor long range.. just a wild guess..

If that is an assumption based off current reservations, I think a scenario could play out with the more the we see cybertrucks get on the road, the more interest will be in an affordable $40k truck....

 

[Newton]

Single motor is all I need!
Serendipitously it's what I can afford!

I want the FSD but its basically just a fun feature at this poin, and it would make the ct1(single motor) basically the same price as the ct2!

 

[Ehninger1212]

If that is an assumption based off current reservations, I think a scenario could play out with the more the we see cybertrucks get on the road, the more interest will be in an affordable $40k truck....

Not entirely based off of current reservations. More based off of Tesla's history of modification of acceptable range and cancelation of base model vehicles. I Just feel as if they are going to start with the DMCT and the demand will be so high for that model they are gonna ride that for like a year at least, then maybe start selling some Tri-motors as battery production ramps. By that time Tesla might think the SMCT doesn't meet its standards anymore.

 

[Crissa]

Not entirely based off of current reservations. More based off of Tesla's history ... I Just feel as if they are going to start with the DMCT and the demand will be so high for that model they are gonna ride that for like a year at least, then maybe start selling some Tri-motors as battery production ramps. By that time Tesla might think the SMCT doesn't meet its standards anymore.

Yeah. That's because Tesla has been battery constrained. They've yet to face a time when they can't sell all the mid-tier models they can make. They just trim off the bottom tier and raise the price of the top tier to match their production capacity. Maximize profit while maximizing production.

But the new factory should change that.

-Crissa

 

[Ehninger1212]

Yeah. That's because Tesla has been battery constrained. They've yet to face a time when they can't sell all the mid-tier models they can make. They just trim off the bottom tier and raise the price of the top tier to match their production capacity. Maximize profit while maximizing production.

But the new factory should change that.

-Crissa

Good point.. I mean I'm not wanting the 40K truck gone.. just thinking about what has happened in the past. GigaTexas should change everything.

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