Poll - Have you ever ran out of charge or gas?

[Coagulation]

Never even close with EV or ICE. Thats why I don’t get range anxiety.

With ICE, by the time I’m at half a tank, I’m at least thinking about gas. I’m rarely under 1/4 tank.

With EV, 99% of the time when I’m not on some kind of road trip I’m thinking way less about battery than gas in an ICE. I just plugged in at home each night. I don’t drive over 320 miles a day. Not many people do.

On a road trip I would say I think about it slightly more with EV, and it takes me maybe 10 mins the night before to determine my supercharger stops.

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[malinecentral]

Never even close with EV or ICE. Thats why I don’t get range anxiety.

With ICE, by the time I’m at half a tank, I’m at least thinking about gas. I’m rarely under 1/4 tank.

With EV, 99% of the time when I’m not on some kind of road trip I’m thinking way less about battery than gas in an ICE. I just plugged in at home each night. I don’t drive over 320 miles a day. Not many people do.

On a road trip I would say I think about it slightly more with EV, and it takes me maybe 10 mins the night before to determine my supercharger stops.

Agreed I do more planning with an EV on how I may want to adjust my stops but I don’t really see that as a nuisance because I can do that at home with a cocktail while having the game on.

I think the biggest hurdle for people to wrap their heads around is that you don’t charge to 100% when you stop. I was probably guilty of it too in our first EV. Trying to explain to people that it will be faster to charge from 20% to 50% 3 times than trying to charge to 100% at a super charger is extremely difficult. I end up trying to create an analogy where gas pumps really fast for them at first but slows down the closer they get to full and that backfires because they think it’s stupid and I just tell them I can’t control physics.

 

[malinecentral]

I take less than 3 seconds for me to connect/disconnect the charger. I back in on the left side of the garage. I open the driver side door, close door, on my way inside the house, 1. grab charger (1 second) (2 feet away from the charge port), 2. push charger button (1.5 second), connect the charger to Cybertruck (.5 seconds)

We have 2 EV’s and one charger so sometimes I have to swap them. Going worst case scenario at 10 seconds here. ?

 

[TheLastStarfighter]

I answered yes to EV, but it wasn't me it was the wife. Coldest day of the year (-30) and windy. Tesla M3 SR+. Left at 80% or so, stopped to meet a client and the car cooled down completely. She then drove into the city (about 35min drive) into the wind. By the time she got there the battery was almost completely depleted (!). She had the option of going to the Supercharger on the far side of the city or a third party that was close by. She chose the closer third party, but the power went out while she was charging. When it came back on the chargers wouldn't work and they wouldn't let her get warm in the garage. She headed for the Supercharger but couldn't make it and stopped and another 3rd party, which ended up out of order and the car was dead. She called Tesla help and they arranged a tow to the Supercharger. She was not happy that day.

 

[GmP]

I think it’s crazy that early results show that 50% of people have ran out of gas but not depleted their battery. Not sure how to read that except that range anxiety might be overrated.

My read is that most (all?) people who answer have driven ICE cars (very) much longer then BEVs, so the probability of having an “empty” mishap is much larger.
But I do agree that home charging, and EVs telling you more clearly than most ICE cars that you run out, etc. are also very much factors.

 

[HaulingAss]

Back in 2013, I think AAA had a pilot program to charge EVs that had run out of charge. Oh look, a Leaf.

Yep. AAA invested a lot of money into those mobile charging trucks because they were so certain with the growth in EVs there would be flat batteries everywhere. Then they found out EVs running out of charge was such a rare event it made more economic sense to just use their regular flatbed towing for ICE cars for the rare EV that ran out of charge.

Last I heard they discontinued their mobile charging service due to lack of demand.

 

[malinecentral]

Yep. AAA invested a lot of money into those mobile charging trucks because they were so certain with the growth in EVs there would be flat batteries everywhere. Then they found out EVs running out of charge was such a rare event it made more economic sense to just use their regular flatbed towing for ICE cars for the rare EV that ran out of charge.

Last I heard they discontinued their mobile charging service due to lack of demand.

That makes sense and our unscientific poll confirms that it is just really hard to run out of charge in an EV.

 

[btcrealm]

. . .
I think the biggest hurdle for people to wrap their heads around is that you don’t charge to 100% when you stop. I was probably guilty of it too in our first EV. Trying to explain to people that it will be faster to charge from 20% to 50% 3 times than trying to charge to 100% at a super charger is extremely difficult. I end up trying to create an analogy where gas pumps really fast for them at first but slows down the closer they get to full and that backfires because they think it’s stupid and I just tell them I can’t control physics.

Elon actually had the best explanation I've ever seen for how charging a LI battery of any kind works. Didn't find the video.

"Charging a battery is like going to the mall.
First thing in the morning its empty and you can park wherever you want. As the day goes on it takes a little longer to find a spot when the parking lot is half full. As you get closer to a full parking lot it takes a lot longer to find that empty spot."

Obviously paraphrased but that comparison makes a lot of sense.

 

[BlueLightning]

Back in 2013, I think AAA had a pilot program to charge EVs that had run out of charge. Oh look, a Leaf.

Very cool EV charge rescue truck, must be the East or the West States because in the Central States you’re lucky to get a flatbed.

LOL

 

[malinecentral]

Elon actually had the best explanation I've ever seen for how charging a LI battery of any kind works. Didn't find the video.

"Charging a battery is like going to the mall.
First thing in the morning its empty and you can park wherever you want. As the day goes on it takes a little longer to find a spot when the parking lot is half full. As you get closer to a full parking lot it takes a lot longer to find that empty spot."

Obviously paraphrased but that comparison makes a lot of sense.

That’s a great analogy.

 

[ikwill]

In response to the thread about creating a business having cyber trucks charge other cars I am curious if anybody has ever ran out of range in any vehicle. I have been driving for 30 years and I’ve never run out of gas or charge.

I did once! Brand new Pacifica as a dog mobile, electrical system died at 300+ miles in the garage, got it towed to the dealer and was told it was fixed. While traveling to Florida, it started to sputter, pulled to the side of the I-95 and called AAA. It showed it had half a tank of fuel, got towed only to find out it was out of gas. Left the minivan at the dealer and rented a car to head back home. It didn’t last long before the whole electrical system went haywire again within few months, had it dropped off at a dealership and walked couple of miles to Jag/RR dealership to get another car while waiting for my Model S to arrive. Never will I ever get into an ICE vehicles after the ordeal.

 

[Gigahorse]

In response to the thread about creating a business having cyber trucks charge other cars I am curious if anybody has ever ran out of range in any vehicle. I have been driving for 30 years and I’ve never run out of gas or charge.

Keep in mind that most people have 10-20x the lifetime mileage in an ICE vehicle, avg population age of drivers, time EVs have been available.
I am sure some kid who is 18 will cry "I have more EV miles than ICE miles"
But for those of us over 30 statistically there are going to be a ton more ICE miles which may skew your data.
I have driven about 1.3-1.7 million miles in an ICE vehicle and only about 400k in an EV and I was a relatively early EV adopter.

 

[SlegMD]

In my teens I had a restored Trans Am. Was super low on fuel. Approached the gas station, ran out of fuel unfortunately the gas station was on top of an on-ramp.
Push of shame the rest of the way, car died 80ft from the pump.

 

[Gaximus]

On my first motorcycle, most motorcycles don’t have a fuel gauge, just a fuel light and a reserve tank. The reserve tank is not an extra tank, just a value that allows the fuel to be taken from lower in the tank. My first bike didn’t even have a light, so when it started “coughing” for fuel, you’d switch the valve and drive straight to a gas station and fill up, you’d get about 50 miles on reserve. I forgot to switch it back once, so when it ran out, there was no reserve to switch to.

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