Price Increases?

[NewUser]

I love the energy in this thread. Tesla honors their prices, so if you got a pre-order in before they removed the pricing, you'll be grandfathered in to the price you reserved at.

All good energy my friend., Do you really believe that. I have a very hard time believing that they will keep the tri-motor at that price

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[Throwcomputer]

You are dead wrong. Tesla honors their quotes. When they increase prices it is on new orders. I have bought a Model 3 and a Model Y and both times there were price increases between the time I ordered and the time I got the vehicle and Tesla always honored the price they quoted me.

Did the vehicle exist in production and was it for sale at the time you reserved it for both of those two examples?

That is the only oddball that would throw your definitive statement into question because if its actually in production and you order it at the price it is actually selling for at the time, there is a bit more legal requirement to honor the price you chose to purchase at, then a suggested retail price on a hypothetical vehicle with a hopeful delivery date. The pricing is actualized in 1, and suggested in the other.

ps. I agree with you.. i dont think they will increase prices. I'm just saying it needs to be a 1:1 comparison.

 

[Ogre]

How does it not? We are talking about Price Increase and tesla honoring the price.

The Pre-Order Agreement states that it is subject to change.

So did previous agreements Tesla made which is which he was referring to.

Nobody is claiming Tesla is contractually bound to the prices, he said they have always honored those prices.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

You may want to check the pre-order agreement then.

"Pre-Order Price, Taxes and Official Fees. The pre-order price of the Vehicle will be confirmed in your Vehicle Configura'on and Final Price Sheet. As you
may have only configured part of your Vehicle, any pre-order price provided to you in advance of the Final Price Sheet is only being offered to you as an
es'mate and is subject to change"

I am telling you how Tesla works and you are quoting me boilerplate. These are not mutually exclusive. I only have a few data points so lets open this up. Has anyone on this forum ever heard of or experienced Tesla not honoring a pre-order price?

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

Did the vehicle exist in production and was it for sale at the time you reserved it for both of those two examples?

That is the only oddball that would throw your definitive statement into question because if its actually in production and you order it at the price it is actually selling for at the time, there is a bit more legal requirement to honor the price you chose to purchase at, then a suggested retail price on a hypothetical vehicle with a hopeful delivery date. The pricing is actualized in 1, and suggested in the other.

ps. I agree with you.. i dont think they will increase prices. I'm just saying it needs to be a 1:1 comparison.

Fair enough. The answer is both. I had a Model Y pre-order that I eventually cancelled when I put in my CT reservation but Tesla never changed the pricing on that pre-order. I believe that the company would be consistent with whether it is a pre-production quote or a production quote.

 

[NewUser]

you are quoting me boilerplate

I am quoting you boilerplate because that's all we officially have to go on. I was not trying to be a dick or anything.

 

[Ogre]

The conversation so far:

P1: Tesla is going to do this bad thing

P2: They’ve never done that thing before.

P1: But they legally can.

P2: They have always had that right and have never exercised it

P1: But they legally can…


We don’t know what Tesla will do. We know they can bump prices. We also know they usually don’t or if they do it’s never just a simple price bump.

If you look at the way they handled the Roadster and the recent Model X, that gives you a good idea of how Tesla has dealt with backing themselves into a pricing corner. Just unilaterally increasing prices by 20-40% has never happened in spite of the fact that they were quite close to selling vehicles below cost.

With the Roadster they increased the cost of options and added a new more expensive model. With the Model 3 they delayed the launch of the low end car and introduced a new model.

Never just a price bump even when. They had that wiggle text in the contract.

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[CyberGus]

I was responding to someone else's usage of the term, but to answer your question 4WD means that you are mechanically driving all 4 wheels. Traditionally that meant a transfer case and a separate transmission providing you with 2-Wheel High, 2-Wheel Low, 4-Wheel High, and 4-Wheel Low modes (the Low modes are crawl - high traction, low speed - modes typically limited to less than 15 mph). Several decades ago lockout hubs were introduced so that you could free two of the wheels. Later they came up with on-demand 4WD but it was still using a transfer case and separate transmission. 4WD is typically used in demanding/dangerous and offroad conditions where traction loss can be common: steep/uneven terrain, rocky terrain, deep sand, mud, water, snow, ice, etc.

All wheel drive (AWD) was introduced for more urban settings to retain traction. It is not controlled by the driver as is 4WD, there is no transfer case or separate transmission. It is generally associated with anti-slip or traction control.

These terms both originated for single engine vehicles.

BEVs with multiple motors and torque vectoring introduce new notions of AWD because now you can independently provide power to the wheels. It 'could' be much more like 4WD, and possibly better, but that is not how Tesla has implemented it to date in their AWD variants; it is still an anti-skid/slip system. If they go the distance with the CT then (and especially with the quad-drive, 4 wheel steering) the term AWD should be dropped and replaced with something new like All Terrain Drive (ATD), All Condition Drive (ACD), or Total Control Drive (TCD). Then discussions like this would not be necessary (unless people wanted to compare the three ).

For the 4-motor variant, I prefer the term "Quadrophenia"

(and the factory would be "GigaQuadrophenia")

 

[Newton]

Don’t unicorns poop candy or something? Can’t you just sell some of your crap?

Or maybe heal virgins with the touch of your horn?

Gotta be some angle here. It’s either that or make a lot more bottle openers.

u cant sell drugs to kids anymore, unless its through a screen

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

I am quoting you boilerplate because that's all we officially have to go on. I was not trying to be a dick or anything.

I actually had Tesla quote me contract boilerplate when I tried to postpone my Model Y delivery so I know that they can and will invoke it when they want to. I just haven’t heard of them doing it with a price quote. Time will tell what happens with the CT pricing.

 

[Crissa]

Threading needles here, but we have reservations not pre-orders.

The reservation says it's a pre-order.

Weirdly.

-Crissa

 

[rlhamil]

For the 4-motor variant, I prefer the term "Quadrophenia"

(and the factory would be "GigaQuadrophenia")

Over Control Drive, or OCD, that'd fit the discussion climate.

 

[Morning Star]

All good energy my friend., Do you really believe that. I have a very hard time believing that they will keep the tri-motor at that price

The tri-motor is not the Plaid, so whatever fancy features they're planning on tacking on to the Plaid don't have to go on the tri-motor, so that's an easy way to keep costs down. Three motors, enough batteries, and it can be as barebones as the single motor other than that.

 

[Bill906]

Traditionally that meant a transfer case and a separate transmission providing you with 2-Wheel High, 2-Wheel Low, 4-Wheel High, and 4-Wheel Low modes (the Low modes are crawl - high traction, low speed - modes typically limited to less than 15 mph).

Yes, I guess technically I meant AWD, but the definitions between AWD and 4WD have gotten blurred over the last decade or two. My Jeep Grand Cherokee has a transfercase. I can shift between 4-Hi, N, and 4-Lo. I do not have the option to do 2WD. Also, I’ve never heard of a vehicle have a 2-Lo option. I’m curious what vehicle does. Doesn’t make sense to me to have all that torque only going to 1 or 2 wheels. High torque, low traction would seem to spin the wheels a lot.

Is it the ability to switch between 4WD and 2WD what makes a system 4WD? Is it the presence of the transfer case? Weird for it to be needing a second transmission when BEV’s don’t have one. (Please don’t anyone start up the transmission semantics argument again.). You generalize that 4WD is more for demanding off-road use. I would wager the CT2 and CT3 “AWD” system will outperform most other “4WD” vehicles, all else being equal.

 

[Crissa]

Most cars have 2-Lo? It's used for going up and down hills at road speed. My dad's truck had it in 1996. The 4-wheel gears were separate. It's just UI, really.

-Crissa

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