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The design is not "Locked".And have already stated the design is locked. So they have had to include side view mirrors to get this road legal approval in order to start production in the next year. I can see them getting away with rear view camera/mirror where it defaults to camera but if power fails, the mirror is visible. This way they can say it's a mirror, while still defaulting to full screen instead.
You may be right, but given Elon himself has said the final design is in place, i take him at his word.The design is not "Locked".
Maybe everything else you say is true, but if the NHTSA approves the cameras before launch, there is a good chance they will ship without mirrors. Tesla wants the shipping trucks to have the greatest possible range and getting those mirrors out of the wind will be a top priority to get that range up.
I won't speculate on a government agency moving under any kind of reasonable time frame.You may be right, but given Elon himself has said the final design is in place, i take him at his word.
But my point of posting was that it's extremely wishful thinking bordering on pipe dreams to believe the NHTSA is going to make regulation changes in the next 6 months to clear the hurdles for Tesla to get the ct without side view mirrors in the next year. They are installing the tooling to build over the next 6 months and possibly cranking a minimal numbers out. It's not a small thing to change tooling at the drop off a hat for a design change like that. They have had to design with the expectations that side view mirrors will remain required in order to start manufacturing this year.
I'll eat my words if it happens. But i fully expect the truck to have side view mirrors regardless of what the display models look like.
With that, i completely agree. I am willing to bet they have both designs in play, with the ability to remove side view mirrors on existing ct model at the drop of a hat. But it makes no logical sense for them to design and set up the machinery at the factory with the expectation that regulation will change in time for their target production.I won't speculate on a government agency moving under any kind of reasonable time frame.
I definitely think Tesla will move fast if/ when this gets approved though.
I was thinking of some sort of contingency design too.With that, i completely agree. I am willing to bet they have both designs in play, with the ability to remove side view mirrors on existing ct model at the drop of a hat. But it makes no logical sense for them to design and sweet up the factory with the expectation that regulation will change in time.
I have a Bolt as well and it took me awhile to get used to the rearview mirror camera. I particularly like when backing up, between the rear camera and rearview camera, outstanding rear visibility. I don't like it on the freeway because it is really hard to judge distance. More time on the freeway and I would probably get used to it, but my kids have the Bolt now and I have the MS...I'm mixed on this tbh. I have a '21 Bolt with the rearview cam in the mirror, and there's a significant "cognitive delay" for me when I'm using the cam vs. the regular mirror. It's a small difference, but I do notice it harder for me to "focus" on the mirror in camera mode.
I've actually played with why this might be the case, and I'm fairly certain it's because of the significant change in color/tones. The camera view is always much more "red" than the actual appearance of things, meaning there's a short adjustment time before my brain processes the mirror image as reality and splices it into my general awareness of things.
Maybe an improved camera will display a more realistic picture and thus reduce the issue. Or, otherwise, maybe repeated use will force me to get used to it.
I'm mixed on this tbh. I have a '21 Bolt with the rearview cam in the mirror, and there's a significant "cognitive delay" for me when I'm using the cam vs. the regular mirror. It's a small difference, but I do notice it harder for me to "focus" on the mirror in camera mode.
I have the same issue with my Bolt. The issue is focus, with a mirror your focus is "infinite", as you are focusing as though you are looking at something 50 or 60 feet away (same as when you are looking ahead out the windshield) even though the mirror is 2 feet from your face. With the monitor on, you have to adjust your focus to "2 feet". This adjustment of focus is a bit unnerving and not natural when you are used to the rearview mirror. Hopefully there is something they can do to make that transition easier. It may be something you can "get used to"... I just haven't tried, because I can just use the mirror instead.
If they put the display in a traditional location, I may have to design a custom tri focal reading glass that is reading glass on bottom and top right and regular glass in the middle.This sounds like it's the core of the problem, and likely exacerbated by my lazy eye. It's worse when I'm wearing my glasses vs my contacts too. Hmm...