Switching to Rivian

[Coutcon]

Your decision baffles me. Why are not waiting for your CT reservation? It most definitely has better attributes than the Rivian. Do you need a truck asap.? Did you get an early Rivian order number? What do you do with a glorified suitcase as a box? Even a 6.5' box is a compromise for a truck box.
The only possible advantage that Rivian truck has is a tank turn which I bet the average truck owner will never need in an actual circumstance other than to try and impress his friend's. Please remember that in about 7 or 8 years your truck will more than likely be rusting out if you live in the northern part of the US or Canada. Not the CT. You better live around open Tesla chargers for the near futur for charging capabilities. In my humble opinion, you are making a big mistake, especially if you can wait for the roll out of your Ct reservation. Just saying. EH ! So are you possibly a Rivian worker, salesman or troll?

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[Diehard]

Well, I’ve been swayed towards the rivian and will be giving up my CT plans. Wondering if anyone here has an early rivian reservation they’d be willing to sell?

As a Nigerian Prince, I consider it it my duty to help you out. You wire the money and I will send you the reservation number

Rivian should give delivery windows for remaining reservation holders by end of the year. You could see what a new reservation mean In terms of delivery. Then again Omicron could throw a new monkey wrench on all of their projections (CT, Rivian and Lightning).

 

[Crissa]

I don't think there will be a model without four wheel steering.

-Crissa

 

[happy intruder]

I don't think there will be a model without four wheel steering.

-Crissa

does that mean a price increase for early reservations?

 

[Crissa]

does that mean a price increase for early reservations?

No.

-Crissa

 

[John K]

Mark my words… 4 wheel steering and solar standard, no increased cost for the first 250,000 reservation numbers. After, solar as an option.

(Tesla, think how crazy you will make the competition, reporters, short sellers and how happy you will make the customers)


…and a free pen.

 

[Ogre]

does that mean a price increase for early reservations?

Literally the only thing we know about pricing is what was presented on launch day.

When Musk was talking about 4 wheel steering it sounded like he was suggesting it’s standard.

My feeling on the Cybertruck is that Musk wants to completely smash the truck market apart. I think what Musk wants is Cybertrucks to be like the grasshoppers in Utah on the 17th year.

Just like this… but giant silver trucks. You will be able to walk across the street on the hoods of Cybertrucks… and nobody will care because it’s a Cybertruck and you won’t dent it.

(Not a prediction… just what I think Musks goal is.)


When you think about Cybertruck pricing… that’s the goal. Total domination of the truck market.

There is a reason he compared it to the F150 pricing.

 

[jerhenderson]

Maybe they will. But since Rivian’s launch was always a year ahead of Tesla’s, that’s not news or very surprising. Rivian was supposed to start deliveries in the end of 2020 and the Cybertruck 2021. Both moved their dates back a year.

Even with their revised launch date, they haven’t produced very many trucks and have said it will take them until the end of 2023 to work through their existing backlog. And that’s assuming they work through their production issues soon.

the CT was always late '22. Nothing has changed.

 

[Ogre]

the CT was always late '22. Nothing has changed.

Unless you ordered fairly recently, it was supposed to be end of year 2021.

It’s not quite officially late, but pretty clearly will be.

 

[firsttruck]

Mark my words… 4 wheel steering and solar standard, no increased cost for the first 250,000 reservation numbers. After, solar as an option.

(Tesla, think how crazy you will make the competition, reporters, short sellers and how happy you will make the customers)


…and a free pen.


What!!! A stinkin' pen!!! Rivian gives a flashlight!!!
I'm cancelling Cybertruck and getting a Rivian.

The above will be said by reporters, Tesla critics, Rivian fanbois.

Me, if I die before Cybertruck delivery my Cybertruck reservation will be in clinched in my cold head hand

 

[Diehard]

Literally the only thing we know about pricing is what was presented on launch day.

When Musk was talking about 4 wheel steering it sounded like he was suggesting it’s standard.

My feeling on the Cybertruck is that Musk wants to completely smash the truck market apart. I think what Musk wants is Cybertrucks to be like the grasshoppers in Utah on the 17th year.

Just like this… but giant silver trucks. You will be able to walk across the street on the hoods of Cybertrucks… and nobody will care because it’s a Cybertruck and you won’t dent it.

(Not a prediction… just what I think Musks goal is.)


When you think about Cybertruck pricing… that’s the goal. Total domination of the truck market.

There is a reason he compared it to the F150 pricing.

I think you are spot on about Elon’s goal and intention when CT was revealed. Tesla was shooting for $35K M3 as well. But road to $45K M3 is paved with $35K intentions. Removing the pricing is the sign of that realization. Tesla will be much more efficient in production of CT than competition and probably will have a higher production capacity at least for a while. That means market demand keep the calculus for CT the same as M3. A few may get lower priced CT just so Tesla can say we delivered what we promised but most of us especially someone like me at 700K spot gotta pay to play. I hope I am wrong and everyone before change of the web site get what they reserved.

 

[Throwcomputer]

Mark my words… 4 wheel steering and solar standard, no increased cost for the first 250,000 reservation numbers. After, solar as an option.

(Tesla, think how crazy you will make the competition, reporters, short sellers and how happy you will make the customers)


…and a free pen.

Drawing an arbitrary line in the sand at 250k is kinda stupid and not really feasible in terms of production.

A.) I believe they announced solar tonneau on launch (could be wrong), and they had more than 250k reservations in the first week prior to announcing 4 wheel steering over a year later. So with a stroke of the pen you are rewarding 250k reservations and screwing everyone else who also reserved with the solar option known and prior to knowing about the 4 wheel steering. Despite the fact that many of those reservations were basically done at the same exact time.

B.) Solar maybe an upgradeable option right from the start which you have to pay for, but 4wheel steering will be standard at the same price for each model for all reservation holders (up to the point they changed the reservation page to remove pricing and specs). Its counter to their simple and fast assembly line to have an additional drive train option that must be swapped out based on upgrade selection over their 3 motor options. So how would they do this.. either of two ways.. have 3 assembly lines for each of the 3 CT motor options all running at the same time, or 1+n assembly lines all running the same motor options in batches then swapping the parts for new motor options to run a separate batch. In both cases you are now added additional 2 choices of 4 wheel steering or not. So what are they going to do? have 6 assembly lines running for CT, two single motor (4wheel vs no), two dual motor (4 wheel vs no), two tri motor (4 wheel vs no).. or 1+n assembly lines running 6 separate batches instead of 3 with the associated swapping of parts/tooling. One option requires twice the factory real estate the other option requires twice the assembly time. As they say in the vespa tuning/two stroke world.. fast, cheap, reliable. Pick two. Can't have all three. But in this case.. fast/cheap/drivetrain options. pick two. can't have all three!

Just doesn't make sense to me they will make 4 wheel an option. Solar is much simpler option that wont slow the line down given its not a major drivetrain swap. Given everything everyone on here says is complete fantasy/conjecture.. my fantasy based on what seems to make sense in terms of maintaining slim factory real estate and efficient assembly is the 4 wheel steering is standard.. and the price of the vehicle will not change until they get to those new reservations done after the website changed.

Now you can counter me with "they will probably put the 4 wheel steering on every truck produced, but disable it in software until you pay the upgrade." That makes more sense than 250k get it.. the rest don't unless they pay. Either everyone pays or no one pays (up to a certain point).

 

[Tinker71]

Mark my words… 4 wheel steering and solar standard, no increased cost for the first 250,000 reservation numbers. After, solar as an option.

(Tesla, think how crazy you will make the competition, reporters, short sellers and how happy you will make the customers)


…and a free pen.

I think you are spot on about Elon’s goal and intention when CT was revealed. Tesla was shooting for $35K M3 as well. But road to $45K M3 is paved with $35K intentions. Removing the pricing is the sign of that realization. Tesla will be much more efficient in production of CT than competition and probably will have a higher production capacity at least for a while. That means market demand keep the calculus for CT the same as M3. A few may get lower priced CT just so Tesla can say we delivered what we promised but most of us especially someone like me at 700K spot gotta pay to play. I hope I am wrong and everyone before change of the web site get what they reserved.

Are you suggesting a cut off point? I saw an arbitrary 250,000 units but I a pretty sure that dudes res number was 249999 or something.

I am pretty sure all the reservations with prices will be honored in someway. I think there might be some upselling, but other than 4ws and the solar cover and maybe some interior choices like vented seats, there is not a lot of room.

Says 219567 in line for the CT2 (654114 overall)

 

[Tinker71]

Drawing an arbitrary line in the sand at 250k is kinda stupid and not really feasible in terms of production.

A.) I believe they announced solar tonneau on launch (could be wrong), and they had more than 250k reservations in the first week prior to announcing 4 wheel steering over a year later. So with a stroke of the pen you are rewarding 250k reservations and screwing everyone else who also reserved with the solar option known and prior to knowing about the 4 wheel steering. Despite the fact that many of those reservations were basically done at the same exact time.

B.) Solar maybe an upgradeable option right from the start which you have to pay for, but 4wheel steering will be standard at the same price for each model for all reservation holders (up to the point they changed the reservation page to remove pricing and specs). Its counter to their simple and fast assembly line to have an additional drive train option that must be swapped out based on upgrade selection over their 3 motor options. So how would they do this.. either of two ways.. have 3 assembly lines for each of the 3 CT motor options all running at the same time, or 1+n assembly lines all running the same motor options in batches then swapping the parts for new motor options to run a separate batch. In both cases you are now added additional 2 choices of 4 wheel steering or not. So what are they going to do? have 6 assembly lines running for CT, two single motor (4wheel vs no), two dual motor (4 wheel vs no), two tri motor (4 wheel vs no).. or 1+n assembly lines running 6 separate batches instead of 3 with the associated swapping of parts/tooling. One option requires twice the factory real estate the other option requires twice the assembly time. As they say in the vespa tuning/two stroke world.. fast, cheap, reliable. Pick two. Can't have all three. But in this case.. fast/cheap. pick one. can't have both!

Just doesn't make sense to me they will make 4 wheel an option. Solar is much simpler option that wont slow the line down given its not a major drivetrain swap. Given everything everyone on here says is complete fantasy/conjecture.. my fantasy based on what seems to make sense in terms of maintaining slim factory real estate and efficient assembly is the 4 wheel steering is standard.. and the price of the vehicle will not change until they get to those new reservations done after the website changed.

It would be easier than that.

1.) Offer the 4ws as an option, call it $5000 (similar to quadrasteer?)
2.) Tell reservations holders it will be built first.
3.) Require people to put down ~ $2000 non refundable deposits. (this will get true orders) and I bet 80% of folks will pay for the upgrade.
4.) Build all the CT3 with 4ws. CT2, CT1 etc.
5.) Modify the line to run without the 4ws and deliver the models advertised with the reveal and deliver the stragglers in 2025.

From this point the line is either modified again to run 4ws forever or toggle back and forth.

This plan could easily be modified to run 2 lines, but either way Tesla clears the quoted reservations first with most people buying the upgrade.

I don't recall Elon ever said the solar would be standard. He also mentioned working to make a pass through to the bed as a good idea. If it is not on the reveal page. It is not standard except by Telsa's good grace.

 

[Diehard]

Are you suggesting a cut off point? I saw an arbitrary 250,000 units but I a pretty sure that dudes res number was 249999 or something.

I am pretty sure all the reservations with prices will be honored in someway. I think there might be some upselling, but other than 4ws and the solar cover and maybe some interior choices like vented seats, there is not a lot of room.

Says 219567 in line for the CT2 (654114 overall)

You are correct in that having an arbitrary cut off line would piss off a lot of people but there are lots of different ways to get away with it. Like: we are eager to get CT to our loyal customers hands however we are still doing final testing. We are announcing the Pioneer program in which volunteers will have the first 1000 CTs before ramp up. In exchange for providing feedback and signing NDAs you will have CTs at originally announced price and are entitled to any update as a result. Low reservation numbers will have priority in selection process.

I definitely keep my fingers crossed you are correct. Will keep my reservation and if I get a Lightning, will likely trade it in for CT if you are correct. If I get an R1S, I will likely hold on to it because it is more expensive and I don’t think it will hold it’s value like F150. Tesla has not made any serious promises that is legally binding. Having a backup plan makes sense.

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