Tire replacement recommendations for foundation series?

[henchman24]

Lots of good detailed info here, but can someone nudge one FSCT between Michelin Defender Platinum LTX or OEM Goodyear for 100% Street and highway use only (no beach, mud, off-road ever)

For the street the Michelin Defender will be a nicer tire to drive than the OEM Goodyears. They are different sorts of tires though. The Defender Platinum is an all season tire that really tries to look like an AT tire (and has some compromise for that) while the Goodyears are an all terrain that has an on road balance to them. There would be a better comparison there with the OEM Pirellis (which I'd personally lean Pirellis or a different model of Defenders... the LTX). They don't look as nice, but are really a great on road tire.

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[arodriguezfeo]

I’m just looking for a 98% road solution with occasional beach drives in Jacksonville or Daytona. The stock Pirelli’s AS work fine and I saw some other pickups get stuck.

 

[Outdoors]

All tires are simply compromises, and the OEM tires are a reflection of that (IMO Tesla prioritizes efficiency above all else on their tires and will sacrifice outlier performance very quickly... off road and performance models really show this). My friend who got a FSCT let me take his out and I found the factory ATs woefully undertired for what I needed (which doesn't align with everybody's needs). Not only off road traction, but especially snow and ice where they are pretty bad. Generally, I don't find Goodyear makes a tire that competes well in this category. This is BFGoodrich and Cooper territory historically with Falken having a say in that. I've built offroad rigs and have had plenty of vehicles and the gold standard in all terrains are the K02s or the Cooper AT3s. I find the nAT Nokians to be very close to those off pavement (they aren't as good as those in mud, but elsewhere very close if not better) without nearly the downsides on pavement. They are very quiet for an AT (I found them quieter than my friend's FSCT, though that could be build differences), they have very good dry and wet grip without as much of an issue with deflection on turn in, and they are some of the best all terrain tires I've tried in the snow (should be considering they are a Finnish company and make some of the best winter tires out there). They may not be for everyone, but I'd encourage anybody that wants a more capable AT tire than the OEM tire to take a look at them. They check a lot of boxes.

@HaulingAss

Between you two swinging on the tires. I own or owned all three in the category. Without a doubt, the blocks, stiffness and design are better on the nokians. The duratracs are nice but they are much softer than the nokians on a visual and hand touching of the blocks.

I have 10k on the nokians. Got 24kish on Goodyear, and rode the duratracs for most of winter.

I live in pointy rock central. So it's not only the plys and your stuff. It's how much tread is on the tire. Put the Nokian next to goodyear and one will laugh. I think they even shave down those goodyears to get good mileage if I'm correct but I could be talking out of my you know.

 

[pricedm]

Lots of good detailed info here, but can someone nudge one FSCT between Michelin Defender Platinum LTX or OEM Goodyear for 100% Street and highway use only (no beach, mud, off-road ever)

OEM Pirelli !

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/pirelli-scorpion-atr
Pirelli Scorpion ATR | 285/65R20

 

[HaulingAss]

@HaulingAss

Between you two swinging on the tires. I own or owned all three in the category. Without a doubt, the blocks, stiffness and design are better on the nokians. The duratracs are nice but they are much softer than the nokians on a visual and hand touching of the blocks.

I have 10k on the nokians. Got 24kish on Goodyear, and rode the duratracs for most of winter.

I live in pointy rock central. So it's not only the plys and your stuff. It's how much tread is on the tire. Put the Nokian next to goodyear and one will laugh. I think they even shave down those goodyears to get good mileage if I'm correct but I could be talking out of my you know.

In your opinion, of the three, which ones were better on bare or bare/wet pavement?

And I can't tell for sure, are all your comments above limited to the Goodyear Duratracs, or are you also commenting on the Territory RT's? Because I would say they are in a different category (even though I am comparing them to each other). In my opinion, the Goodyear Territory RT is like a good All-Season Radial that has been toughened up for more rugged use and load capacity. Just what might suit many Cybertruck users.

And since you travel on a lot of sharp rocks, which ones, if any, have been fatally cut?

We live in an age of plenty when it comes to finding a tire that meets your needs. It can just be tough to sort it all out based on user experiences and manufacturer's claims. It's well-known in the tire industry that many modern truck owners are buying tires based more upon how "rugged" they look, not out of any need for more ruggedness. Sales are all about looks these days. That's why they have all gone to deeper blocks on the sidewalls.

 

[TexasRaider]

I paid 1780.80. That’s Tires, mount and balance, tax included.

You got the Platinum tires for $1800?! Where?!
I looked everywhere for $482/tire and ended up paying $2400 with roadside assistance.

 

[henchman24]

@HaulingAss

Between you two swinging on the tires. I own or owned all three in the category. Without a doubt, the blocks, stiffness and design are better on the nokians. The duratracs are nice but they are much softer than the nokians on a visual and hand touching of the blocks.

I have 10k on the nokians. Got 24kish on Goodyear, and rode the duratracs for most of winter.

I live in pointy rock central. So it's not only the plys and your stuff. It's how much tread is on the tire. Put the Nokian next to goodyear and one will laugh. I think they even shave down those goodyears to get good mileage if I'm correct but I could be talking out of my you know.

I could be wrong, but I think the OEM Goodyear is 10/32" tread depth while the Nokians (and most standard ATs) are 18/32". It is night and day in that area, which is also partially why the OEM tires won't come close to lasting 50k mi.

In your opinion, of the three, which ones were better on bare or bare/wet pavement?

And I can't tell for sure, are all your comments above limited to the Goodyear Duratracs, or are you also commenting on the Territory RT's? Because I would say they are in a different category (even though I am comparing them to each other). In my opinion, the Goodyear Territory RT is like a good All-Season Radial that has been toughened up for more rugged use and load capacity. Just what might suit many Cybertruck users.

And since you travel on a lot of sharp rocks, which ones, if any, have been fatally cut?

We live in an age of plenty when it comes to finding a tire that meets your needs. It can just be tough to sort it all out based on user experiences and manufacturer's claims. It's well-known in the tire industry that many modern truck owners are buying tires based more upon how "rugged" they look, not out of any need for more ruggedness. Sales are all about looks these days. That's why they have all gone to deeper blocks on the sidewalls.

I'd agree the Territory RTs are more of a toughened up all season vs a true all terrain. Which with the use case for most people is probably the correct way to go. I'd go even further and say that 90-95% of truck owners (including Cybertruck) would be best off with a good all season. I don't fault Tesla for their specing of tires, it just didn't fit my use case. Just like the tires on my M3P we're not to my satisfaction on performance, but good enough for most people.

Yeah a lot of people buy based on that. The deep blocks on sidewalls do have a performance benefit in mud and sand, but most people won't utilize it. Which is where the Defender Platinums come in... an all season tire that looks a bit more rugged, but not as many compromises. Admittedly, the OEM Pirellis look terrible to me and even if I didn't have my use case, I'd probably look to switch too... they are a fantastic tire though and probably fit the vast majority use cases if you can get over the looks.

 

[Outdoors]

In your opinion, of the three, which ones were better on bare or bare/wet pavement?



And I can't tell for sure, are all your comments above limited to the Goodyear Duratracs, or are you also commenting on the Territory RT's? Because I would say they are in a different category (even though I am comparing them to each other). In my opinion, the Goodyear Territory RT is like a good All-Season Radial that has been toughened up for more rugged use and load capacity. Just what might suit many Cybertruck users.

And since you travel on a lot of sharp rocks, which ones, if any, have been fatally cut?

We live in an age of plenty when it comes to finding a tire that meets your needs. It can just be tough to sort it all out based on user experiences and manufacturer's claims. It's well-known in the tire industry that many modern truck owners are buying tires based more upon how "rugged" they look, not out of any need for more ruggedness. Sales are all about looks these days. That's why they have all gone to deeper blocks on the sidewalls.

Nokians aren't pretty on the side.

I lost many a hankook to sharp rock roads. I have seen people get out and "take care of" a spot by picking up all the rocks. Junk tires. It is the inside of the tire, and where it is made.

Funny never got a trailer flat tire. As in upgraded to light truck tires for my trailer.

Have stuck with nokians and Michelin. Never got a flat on ko2s.



I am a gravel dude.

https://dailyinterlake.com/news/2005/jan/30/delivering-mail-to-the-remote-north-fork-6/

Gives one a rundown on my drives. I take tires seriously. Yet I won't carry a spare.

 

[xmario]

Can you still use the original cyber wheel covers with aftermarket tires?

 

[henchman24]

Can you still use the original cyber wheel covers with aftermarket tires?

I use the core covers for long distance trips, but I’d assume you mean then AT covers. Yes but the sidewalls won’t have the sculpting to match.

 

[xmario]

I use the core covers for long distance trips, but I’d assume you mean then AT covers. Yes but the sidewalls won’t have the sculpting to match.

yes, that’s what I meant. Does it look that much worse without the sculpting tire?

 

[henchman24]

yes, that’s what I meant. Does it look that much worse without the sculpting tire?

I think so, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder and we all have bad taste around here.

 

[mcorf]

Have the Territory RT's being discontinued? I don't see them on Tire Rack any more and have been out of stock on Goodyears website for a while..

 

[doggod]

So after trying out the Falken Wildpeak AT4’s for 1 day, I exercised my 30 day ride guarantee and swapped them out. Ride was pretty terrible………..loud, rock like feel, and an overall unpleasant experience . I went with the Michelin Defender Platinum LTX tires. Super happy with the ride and with a little bit over 1000 miles the range is better than the original AT’s. They are really good in the rain and the dry performance is awesome. The sidewalls are slightly aggressive which I like compared to the Pirellis which to me look spare tire-ish. My only complaint is the tread picks up stones quite frequently and they don’t come out unless you do it by hand. But 100 yards of my driveway is 3/4” stone, so I don’t think the most CT owners will have this problem unless you go off-roading frequently. I would highly recommend. Also if you use the Covers they fit very good with a good amount of sidewall clearance. I have been checking every so often and so far they haven’t come in contact with the sidewall. Check em out, I think you will like them.

the Michelin tires are all season not all terrain. I need all terrain, I live off road.

 

[Cyber DJ]

KO3 are the best , call goodyear, they will give you credit

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