Upcoming competition from Ram

[roadrunner32]

Small ICE? It's the normal RAM engine.
Think of it as adding EV to an ICE truck rather than adding an ICE generator to an EV.
They replace the transmission with a generator, then swap driveshaft and rear axle with battery and motor.

Hmmff. my initial reaction is why bother. with a battery and motor. Ya still got that internal combustion engine to deal with plus now a generator. what is the efficiency of the the generator. slip rings or brushes to maintain? Down here on the coast "Generac" has a terrible reputation.

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[mongo]

Hmmff. my initial reaction is why bother. with a battery and motor. Ya still got that internal combustion engine to deal with plus now a generator. what is the efficiency of the the generator. slip rings or brushes to maintain? Down here on the coast "Generac" has a terrible reputation.

Engine only runs when needed and weighs less than the cells it replaces. Rest of the time you charge at home for cheap and live the EV life.

Generator likely has neither slip rings nor brushes, just like the motors. Efficiency should be in the high 90 percent (like regen). It's not stuck dealing with 240V @ 60Hz.

 

[roadrunner32]

3.6L Pentstar engine plus generator: 500 pounds
27 gallons of gas: 170 pounds
200+ mile towing range: priceless (along with all the pull-through refueling stops one could want).

670 pounds equates to 14Wh/mile on typical tires but the engerator+fuel weighs less than the batteries they removed.

OP said it would get total EREV 690 miles range but 140 miles EV only. So how does that engine generator setup produce 550 miles. Generators are terribly inefficient and can't possibly generate 550 miles. Well, So I'm wrong, AI says it could get 540 miles, even 700 miles. But I'd hate putting all that complicated gas engine stuff back in the truck, and carrying old stale gasoline around. How long does gasoline last? and the fuel system gummied up ? "Well, it's been X months I better put it on the calendar to run that gasoline through the truck." I like the simplicity of my cybertruck! plus it has FSD much safer than a Dodge Ram.

 

[mongo]

OP said it would get total EREV 690 miles range but 140 miles EV only. So how does that engine generator setup produce 550 miles. Generators are terribly inefficient and can't possibly generate 550 miles. Well, So I'm wrong, AI says it could get 540 miles, even 700 miles. But I'd hate putting all that complicated gas engine stuff back in the truck, and carrying old stale gasoline around. How long does gasoline last? and the fuel system gummied up ? "Well, it's been X months I better put it on the calendar to run that gasoline through the truck." I like the simplicity of my cybertruck! plus it has FSD much safer than a Dodge Ram.

Yeah, not trading in my Cybertruck for it, but if I hadn't experienced the power of the polygon...

The EREV isn't worse than the ICE alternative, if that's the either/or. It's a gas truck with electric drive.
Don't need to keep the tank full, and gas does last a long time as long you don't have a lot of ethanol content, or add stabilizer (I know, extra cost).

 

[BlueLightning]

Yes I remember the $39k Cybertruck, the Ram, Chevy and Ford all said they had their $39k truck, all lies!

Some say inflation is the reason?

From 2019 to 2026, the average inflation rate in the U.S. was approximately 3.85% per year, resulting in a cumulative price increase of about 30.26%. This means that a dollar in 2019 is equivalent to about $1.30 today in purchasing power.

Still no competition, they all are overpriced about $30k than they are worth.

Yes, even the stripped down $59k one!

 

[Outdoors]

It's a strange concept I know for a lot of people. And I think many are used to the thought process that two operating systems provide multiple failure points. That's completely agreeable.

Many would fault Ram's historical trustworthiness. And I think that experience could be attributed to many a brand from experience with ICE trucks.

The question I think boils down to is two things. Can the electrical system in the battery system work in harmony with a gas system that may or may not be reliable to interface on the first try with an electrical system. Then how reliable is Stellantis as an EV truck?

We can parse numbers with fuel economy and expected range and things like that. It is what it is. It's a plug in hybrid. Just a bit different.

I have a early reservation, likely won't follow up, as I have a slate and a cheap CT on order.

 

[HaulingAss]

If EVs are reliable, adding it isn't a downside as long as payload is maintained

Cost disadvantage: Check
Service downtime: Check

People sometimes forget that small fleet operators often need to pay one of their employees to drop off and pick up vehicles from a Service Department. The complexity of the truck with the V-6 and oil/filters will ensure it can't compete with traditional ICE trucks. Only companies thinking that a hybrid will get them environmental brownie points will buy it. A company will be best served by picking a pure ICE or pure EV truck, depending upon the application's use case.

 

[eswimm]

Honestly, I think the overlap as far as competition goes is very small. There's probably a small segment of CT owners that regularly tow long distances that might consider the RAM REV option, just because the longer range is convenient, but you're basically looking at a gas truck with rather meh efficiency for any trip that would actually tax a CT's towing ability. 145mi out of 92kWh isn't impressive, that's >50% worse efficiency than the CT. Assuming the 690mi total range is unladen, you're talking about >625Wh/mi off pure battery and ~20mpg from the generator. It's presumably going to suffer greater aero impact on the highway, since it's less efficient than the CT. Meaning that 690mi is probably mix of city/highway with worse highway range. If you're towing, you'll be driving on gas after the 1st hour, likely getting half the mileage you'd get out of a diesel 1500.

 

[eswimm]

Cost disadvantage: Check
Service downtime: Check

People sometimes forget that small fleet operators often need to pay one of their employees to drop off and pick up vehicles from a Service Department. The complexity of the truck with the V-6 and oil/filters will ensure it can't compete with traditional ICE trucks. Only companies thinking that a hybrid will get them environmental brownie points will buy it. A company will be best served by picking a pure ICE or pure EV truck, depending upon the application's use case.

I figure the routine service will likely be slightly less than an ICE. The engine isn't going to be subject to the same extremes as a pure ICE vehicle, it'll lack ICE powertrain and it'll benefit from regenerative braking. It's still a more complicated beast overall, though.

 

[HaulingAss]

Engine only runs when needed and weighs less than the cells it replaces. Rest of the time you charge at home for cheap and live the EV life.

Generator likely has neither slip rings nor brushes, just like the motors. Efficiency should be in the high 90 percent (like regen). It's not stuck dealing with 240V @ 60Hz.

LOL! Efficiency won't be in the "high 90%", we already know that. The first part of the conversion process (from gasoline to electricity) will be in the 30-35% efficiency range, at best. Then around 5-10% losses on top of that to charge the batteries. When run on gasoline exclusively it won't even be able to hit the MPG of a comparable ICE only truck. When run on electricity exclusively it can only go 145 miles using it's 91.8 kWh battery. Even if we assume it will get that 145 miles while only using 75 kWh, that's less than 2 miles per kWh. The entire REV idea is predicated on needing more range than a battery alone can provide. Otherwise, why deal with oil/filter changes and engine life expectancy?

 

[MCraft99]

LOL! Efficiency won't be in the "high 90%", we already know that. The first part of the conversion process (from gasoline to electricity) will be in the 30-35% efficiency range, at best. Then around 5-10% losses on top of that to charge the batteries. When run on gasoline exclusively it won't even be able to hit the MPG of a comparable ICE only truck. When run on electricity exclusively it can only go 145 miles using it's 91.8 kWh battery. Even if we assume it will get that 145 miles while only using 75 kWh, that's less than 2 miles per kWh. The entire REV idea is predicated on needing more range than a battery alone can provide. Otherwise, why deal with oil/filter changes and engine life expectancy?

I wouldn't mind having a generator with my fridge. I'm limited in my excursions offroad to being within range of a SCer. Even using a 12KW pure sinewave genny requires half a day of charging. Until someone comes out with a more compact DC fast charger, we're kinda limited in our offroad exploring.

$5000 https://generatorbible.com/generators/duromax/xp16000ih/ 1.5hr runtime * 8 refills(10.5gal) = 80 gallons of fuel

$7500 https://generatorbible.com/generators/duromax/xp28000ih 2.8hr runtime * 4 refills(12.7gal) = 50 gallons of fuel

 

[tingmo13]

hybrid is for insecure people -promoted by MSM.
why OP wants to post half cooked vehicle on Cybertruck forum?

 

[CyberGus]

I wonder if the hybrids will be subject to the Federal EV road tax

 

[eswimm]

I wonder if the hybrids will be subject to the Federal EV road tax

I believe $35 under the current proposal for plug-in hybrids.

 

[CyberGus]

I believe $35 under the current proposal for plug-in hybrids.

In that case, I’m installing this in the frunk:

BOOM! Hybrid

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