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(Edited over the years as Qs get answered. All edits in blue)
Short version:
If you intend on purchasing today, and knowing what we know today and what we don't know yet; when the final product and pricing is revealed, what would prevent you from making the purchase?
Extended read:
I reserved a CT3 w/FSD.
I have a list of questions I'm curious about, (but don't really care all that much about), a list I care about that will make me more or less inclined to purchase, and a shortlist of concerns that would prevent me from making the purchase.
I'm curious about...
-What is the battery size?
-Will it have side-view mirrors? Yes, but easily removable per EM
-Is the tailgate ramp standard or optional? Price if optional?
-V2H or V2G or V2V options?
-Will it have a mid-gate? Standard or optional? Price if optional?
-Is that full glass roof standard or optional? Price if optional?
-How much is that camping package option they show and can I still use the bed for doing truck things with that package onboard?
-Can the purchase be delayed? If my number come up, and I don't want to make the purchase, can I delay it by 6 months or a year? Really only curious about this because I'm about 90k inline for the truck...whatever that means. I'm personally not expecting delivery until late next year...mean next, next year LOL. Maybe it will be summertime or even spring...I don't know. I'm retiring from active duty in Oct next year. (Opted into the US Space Force and won't retire until Oct 2022) It would be good to know I secured a follow-on job prior to spending my savings on this truck. Ideally, I retire, I get a job, and then I receive the notification to finalize my CT order.
I care about...
-What is its actual wheel travel? I know we saw 20" recently posted, but that is so far beyond even a Raptor's spec travel, that I don't believe it until I see it in the actual CT specs.
-What is its RTI? This is not usually a spec that gets released by the manufacturer. We probably won't know this until a youtuber posts his/her review.
-What is its turning radius? This should be a Tesla released spec. Some of the videos we've seen make it look like absolute trash. It has to be in line with the Raptor or better.I have a feeling it's going to be pretty terrible (With the 4 wheel steering announcement I'm no longer concerned about the turning radius, but I'm still interested in what it is.) because I think it has a longer wheelbase while being the same length of an F150 (which helps it for the approach and depart angles but hurts it for turning radius and breakover angle...which the CT compensates for with the massive 16" of clearance. But that clearance does not help with the turning radius. It's going to need a ton of wheel angle range.)
-Is the solar panel cover standard or optional? What's the price if it's an option and how much range does it provide or how much phantom loss does it replenish?
(These next two are danger close to falling onto my next list)
-Are 35's standard or optional and if it's an option, how much will they affect the range...hoping there is an EPA-stated range for them if it's an option. If it is an option I just can't imagine the range is 500+ with them. This means I'd be purchasing the CT3 without 35s which makes me far less excited. The 315/60 R20 wheel set up shown at the Giga Texas Cyber Rodeo are 35s but it's unknown if this is standard or optional.
-Is the interior we've seen the final product? Frankly, I don't like it. It doesn't need to be fancy (ie, Platinum, Laramie, etc...but XLT, Longhorn would be good) What storage is there around the driver and passengers...yes, cupholders and storage matter. Very little interior info. I expect this will be one of the last things we learn about as the CT evolves into its finished product.
But most importantly, I need to know the following or it will prevent my purchase.
-What is its EPA range? 500 is the bare minimum. If it's exactly 500 I have a decision to make. I'm not overly concerned with this one as I think the EPA range will be over 500 miles...but that might be with 32" hwy tires. I need it to have 500 miles with at least 32" AT tires. Again, not too concerned but if it turns out I'll only get 499 with 32" ATs, I'm out.
-How much will the insurance be? If it nullifies my fuel saving or significantly cuts into the money saved from buying fuel vs my current cost to insure my F150 $77/mo), it makes the premium price not yet justifiable (for me). Today, I feel like I need to see the payback for the premium I'm paying in under 15 years. By "premium" I'm talking about what I'd normally be spending on a new to me, 2 year old used truck vs the brand new CT. If I'd normally buy a used truck for say $35k (this would be a new high for me) and I'm spending ~ $76k on this new CT then the premium is $41k. Between fuel-saving and insurance rates, and yes additional maintenance savings because EVs have so fewer moving parts, (but maybe go through tires faster) I need to save $41k over 15 years. This is going to be a wag, but if the wag seems too far off, it will prevent me from making the purchase. The simple math is that I am going to have to save about $225/mo buying this truck vs something else when I only drive about 15k miles a year. My electrical rates are $0.105/kWh and gas is currently about $3.50/gal here. So right now I spend about $368/mo on gas and insurance. I estimate spending about $65/mo in electricity from home with the CT (assuming 100% of my charging is at home). I feel like the insurance is going to be more than $128/mo for this CT. Making the premium payback over 15 years.
-Depending on how that immediate concern gets answered I may need an answer on the tax incentive. Right now, we don't get one. If one is established it could sway the numbers back in favor of the purchase.
So what say you? No tax incentive, no purchase? No midgate, no purchase? No V2?, no purchase? No change to the interior, no purchase? Just curious.
Short version:
If you intend on purchasing today, and knowing what we know today and what we don't know yet; when the final product and pricing is revealed, what would prevent you from making the purchase?
Extended read:
I reserved a CT3 w/FSD.
I have a list of questions I'm curious about, (but don't really care all that much about), a list I care about that will make me more or less inclined to purchase, and a shortlist of concerns that would prevent me from making the purchase.
I'm curious about...
-What is the battery size?
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-Is the tailgate ramp standard or optional? Price if optional?
-V2H or V2G or V2V options?
-Will it have a mid-gate? Standard or optional? Price if optional?
-Is that full glass roof standard or optional? Price if optional?
-How much is that camping package option they show and can I still use the bed for doing truck things with that package onboard?
-Can the purchase be delayed? If my number come up, and I don't want to make the purchase, can I delay it by 6 months or a year? Really only curious about this because I'm about 90k inline for the truck...whatever that means. I'm personally not expecting delivery until late next year...mean next, next year LOL. Maybe it will be summertime or even spring...I don't know. I'm retiring from active duty in Oct next year. (Opted into the US Space Force and won't retire until Oct 2022) It would be good to know I secured a follow-on job prior to spending my savings on this truck. Ideally, I retire, I get a job, and then I receive the notification to finalize my CT order.
I care about...
-What is its actual wheel travel? I know we saw 20" recently posted, but that is so far beyond even a Raptor's spec travel, that I don't believe it until I see it in the actual CT specs.
-What is its RTI? This is not usually a spec that gets released by the manufacturer. We probably won't know this until a youtuber posts his/her review.
-What is its turning radius? This should be a Tesla released spec. Some of the videos we've seen make it look like absolute trash. It has to be in line with the Raptor or better.
-Is the solar panel cover standard or optional? What's the price if it's an option and how much range does it provide or how much phantom loss does it replenish?
(These next two are danger close to falling onto my next list)
-Are 35's standard or optional and if it's an option, how much will they affect the range...hoping there is an EPA-stated range for them if it's an option. If it is an option I just can't imagine the range is 500+ with them. This means I'd be purchasing the CT3 without 35s which makes me far less excited. The 315/60 R20 wheel set up shown at the Giga Texas Cyber Rodeo are 35s but it's unknown if this is standard or optional.
-Is the interior we've seen the final product? Frankly, I don't like it. It doesn't need to be fancy (ie, Platinum, Laramie, etc...but XLT, Longhorn would be good) What storage is there around the driver and passengers...yes, cupholders and storage matter. Very little interior info. I expect this will be one of the last things we learn about as the CT evolves into its finished product.
But most importantly, I need to know the following or it will prevent my purchase.
-What is its EPA range? 500 is the bare minimum. If it's exactly 500 I have a decision to make. I'm not overly concerned with this one as I think the EPA range will be over 500 miles...but that might be with 32" hwy tires. I need it to have 500 miles with at least 32" AT tires. Again, not too concerned but if it turns out I'll only get 499 with 32" ATs, I'm out.
-How much will the insurance be? If it nullifies my fuel saving or significantly cuts into the money saved from buying fuel vs my current cost to insure my F150 $77/mo), it makes the premium price not yet justifiable (for me). Today, I feel like I need to see the payback for the premium I'm paying in under 15 years. By "premium" I'm talking about what I'd normally be spending on a new to me, 2 year old used truck vs the brand new CT. If I'd normally buy a used truck for say $35k (this would be a new high for me) and I'm spending ~ $76k on this new CT then the premium is $41k. Between fuel-saving and insurance rates, and yes additional maintenance savings because EVs have so fewer moving parts, (but maybe go through tires faster) I need to save $41k over 15 years. This is going to be a wag, but if the wag seems too far off, it will prevent me from making the purchase. The simple math is that I am going to have to save about $225/mo buying this truck vs something else when I only drive about 15k miles a year. My electrical rates are $0.105/kWh and gas is currently about $3.50/gal here. So right now I spend about $368/mo on gas and insurance. I estimate spending about $65/mo in electricity from home with the CT (assuming 100% of my charging is at home). I feel like the insurance is going to be more than $128/mo for this CT. Making the premium payback over 15 years.
-Depending on how that immediate concern gets answered I may need an answer on the tax incentive. Right now, we don't get one. If one is established it could sway the numbers back in favor of the purchase.
So what say you? No tax incentive, no purchase? No midgate, no purchase? No V2?, no purchase? No change to the interior, no purchase? Just curious.
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