What's a deal-breaker for you?

[Daddystired]

Apologies if a similar thread already exists, but I was curious if anything might cause people to opt out of the Cybertruck as we get closer to launch.

After final specs, pricing and performance figures are released is there something specific that would lead you to cancel your reservation?

How about once test drives are available?

For me (and many others) a price change beyond 10-15% of the initial figures would be a deal-breaker. If the CT felt unwieldy and un-parkable in the city that would also cause some hesitation.

Otherwise, I'm all in ...barring some unforeseen pitfall.

Rivian offers 400 mile range - 89k.
Ford lighting - 80k for 330 mile range

Apologies if a similar thread already exists, but I was curious if anything might cause people to opt out of the Cybertruck as we get closer to launch.

After final specs, pricing and performance figures are released is there something specific that would lead you to cancel your reservation?

How about once test drives are available?

For me (and many others) a price change beyond 10-15% of the initial figures would be a deal-breaker. If the CT felt unwieldy and un-parkable in the city that would also cause some hesitation.

Otherwise, I'm all in ...barring some unforeseen pitfall.

Deal breaker would be dual motor pass 80k with less then 350 mile range or tri/quad pass 100k with less then 400 mile range . Other than that. No deal breaker for me.
Honestly tesla/franz/Elon have all touted so much about their steal being in house so it’s cheaper. No paint so it’s cheaper. Giga press means fewer parts so it’s cheaper. Their new assembly line being faster and efficient meaning cheaper labor. Their new battery they will put in cyber truck is cheaper than the current. Faster to make. Etc.
I’ll be disappointed if this truck is more than 60k starting off lol. (They touted it)
Next gen manufacturing. And their next super cheap product will be made in a similar way. So.. just a rant.

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[Arctic_White]

I have a rule, the share price needs to be $350.

I will have a CT with the lot. And a large Coke. Medium chips.

I don't want to derail the thread but $350 will happen if interest rates drop (Fed is dumb for raising rates even more), or when Tesla's financials demonstrate the actual impact of the Cybertruck and the next-gen model. Remember that TSLA 10x in 2013 when Model S showed profits and it 10x'ed again in 2019/2020 when Model 3 sales impacted the finances. During 2010 to 2012, and from 2013 to 2019, TSLA stock went no where.

I think from 2020 to 2025, it will stay within the $150 to $250 range. However, $500+ is my price target by 2025 as that is when the Street will realize how impactful the Cybertruck and the next-gen vehicles will be.

Side note:
If FSD is solved, TSLA will 10x. In fact, my model has them solving FSD by 2030 with a $2,500 price target.

I'm not as bullish as ARKK. Nor am I guaranteeing anything as there are lots of *ifs* here.

Add Robots and Dojo and man.... I can't even tell you how crazy the financial outlook is.

Not financial advice; do your own due diligence.

 

[cvalue13]

A comparison for you:
R1T gets about 140 miles range when towing over 7,000 lbs.
A Lightning made it 80 miles towing 6,000 lbs.

that’s a pretty useless and misleading comparison.

The weight it of the trailer has negligible effect on the towing range.

Far more decisive are speed of towing, and the frontal plane of the towed item (as relates to air density conditions).

Put differently: An ER Lightning can tow a 6,000lb trailer over 200 miles, if it’s going 55mph, the trailer is an aerodynamic low-boy, it’s warm and humid out, at altitude, yadda, yadda, yadda etc.

Or it can tow a 6,000lb trailer all of 50 miles if it’s doing 95, the trailer is shaped like a wall, it’s 20° and dry, yadda, yadda, yadda

In other words: this is how towing works, and the same goes equally for ICE vehicles.

 

[uscbucsfan]

that’s a pretty useless and misleading comparison.

It's not really.

I understand that that drag is worse than weight in towing but without diving into that, because it's been addressed 1,000 times, I just shortened it with examples which you and everyone else seemed to understand.

500 miles of towing a 7,500lb camper is not going to happen on the CT.

Edit: I guess I should just state this since you want all the obvious pointed out. EVs aren't going to be as fast/easy to tow as with an ICE truck. People think the CT will crack that code that Ford and Rivian couldn't, but that's not reality. Using the two known EVs is just a point of reference.

 

[HaulingAss]

It's not really.

I understand that that drag is worse than weight in towing but without diving into that, because it's been addressed 1,000 times, I just shortened it with examples which you and everyone else seemed to understand.

500 miles of towing a 7,500lb camper is not going to happen on the CT.

Huh?

I don't think any serious person claimed the Cybertruck could tow a large trailer 500 miles without at least a couple short roadside charges.

That said, most RV'ers I know tell me 300 miles is a big day for them and they are more likely to travel only 50-150 miles to settle into some new scenery at a new campground. I don't really understand the draw of the RV life, but I guess some people like it. Travelling in short hops like that, one could be-bop around the U.S. using nothing more than the charge obtained from the 30A-50A campground outlets.

Towing big loads, big miles is not very economical regardless of the fuel and, even with a 500+ mile Cybertruck, will still be best served by a diesel tow vehicle with big auxilliary fuel tanks. Fortunately, that comprises an extremely small percentage of total vehicle miles travelled, even in RV happy USA.

 

[uscbucsfan]

Huh?

I don't think any serious person claimed the Cybertruck could tow a large trailer 500 miles without a Supercharge.

Towing/hauling:
My towing-mission requires 500+ mile range and a tow-rating >= 7500lbs (to support my travel trailer). If that doesn't materialize

That's what I responded to. I just said if he was saying 500+ mile range while towing 7,500 lbs that's not possible. But if it's 500 mile range (EPA) and 7,500 lbs towing...we all hope that.

 

[HaulingAss]

Towing/hauling:
My towing-mission requires 500+ mile range and a tow-rating >= 7500lbs (to support my travel trailer). If that doesn't materialize

Huh? What do you mean, "If that doesn't materialize".

That's what I responded to. I just said if he was saying 500+ mile range while towing 7,500 lbs that's not possible. But if it's 500 mile range (EPA) and 7,500 lbs towing...we all hope that.

We all hope what exactly? The tow rating will be well over 7,500 lbs. And Tesla will release a version with 500 miles of EPA range. But the EPA range is not a towing range.

So what do we all hope?

 

[Gurule92]

If there is no BAW..

But realy I can't think of anything aside from 70k dual motor that might make me back out.

Maybe if the range was sub 300

 

[uscbucsfan]

Huh? What do you mean, "If that doesn't materialize".



We all hope what exactly? The tow rating will be well over 7,500 lbs. And Tesla will release a version with 500 miles of EPA range. But the EPA range is not a towing range.

So what do we all hope?

That's not my post. It's from this thread that someone said would be a deal breaker. Quoting without replying is annoying on my phone. I just copied and pasted it.

 

[HaulingAss]

That's not my post. It's from this thread that someone said would be a deal breaker. Quoting without replying is annoying on my phone. I just copied and pasted it.

I see. Yeah, that's confusing to quote someone else like that.

I solved the problems with using a forum on a cellphone. How? It's brilliant, I don't post from a cellphone! I don't know how anyone can stand it.

 

[uscbucsfan]

I see. Yeah, that's confusing to quote someone else like that.

I solved the problems with using a forum on a cellphone. How? It's brilliant, I don't post from a cellphone! I don't know how anyone can stand it.

Normally I wouldn't, but traveling without my computer handy.

 

[cvalue13]

Edit: I guess I should just state this since you want all the obvious pointed out. EVs aren't going to be as fast/easy to tow as with an ICE truck. People think the CT will crack that code that Ford and Rivian couldn't, but that's not reality.

no, I meant your examples are effectively meaningless. It’s the equivalent of saying “I can eat more dinners in 12 hours than anyone” - without knowing how “dinner” is defined, one can’t begin to evaluate what you intend to say

and maybe why the examples are so strange is because you seem to be suggesting that BEV’s themselves have some unique towing qualities compared to ICE? They don’t.

The only practical difference is that with ICE you’re always close enough to a quick refuel.

It’s not a difference with the vehicles, it’s a difference with the infrastructure.

It’s only that the easy solution to the infra problem is to increase the range of the vehicles.

 

[Crissa]

That's not my post. It's from this thread that someone said would be a deal breaker. Quoting without replying is annoying on my phone. I just copied and pasted it.

That's what the little '+quote' button and the 'insert quotes' button is for.

If you can't manage that, type [quote] and [/quote].

Naw, the company that makes it work will see their stock explode. The market is very fickle.

-Crissa

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