Why are Tesla's range estimates between Cybertruck trim levels so close?

[Wile]

Hi All, I'm new to the forum. Considering trading my M3 for a Cybertruck. When I bought my 2021 M3, it had significantly higher range (353 miles) compared to the Performance (315 miles). A 12% difference. For Non-FS Cybertruck Dual and Tri motor variants, both equipped with AT Tires, the range difference is only 4.3% (314 vs 301 miles). With the lighter core tires, the difference is a paltry 1.5% (325 vs 320 miles). It might be too early for this question, but are people getting a sense that they can get these kinds of ranges from their Cybertrucks? Considering the weight difference between AT and Core tires will result in a 2.8% range hit on the tri-motor, do you think introducing a heavier AT tire like a BFG KO3 would cause a larger range hit on the Tri vs the Dual? Thank in advance.

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[igs]

Considering the weight difference between AT and Core tires will result in a 2.8% range hit on the tri-motor, do you think introducing a heavier AT tire like a BFG KO3 would cause a larger range hit on the Tri vs the Dual?

The difference is mostly due to rolling resistance from tread pattern and compound differences.

 

[Crissa]

The difference is mostly due to rolling resistance from tread pattern and compound differences.

Yeah, the two trims share the battery. The stock wheels are the only real physical difference.

Also, the EPA estimate assumes if you have more acceleration, you'll use it - so the Beast gets dinged a little on range for that. (Blame car companies for trying to do their EPA testing on their muscle cars in granny mode and I don't mean the one from Pasadena.)

-Crissa

 

[Redfire]

Hi All, I'm new to the forum. Considering trading my M3 for a Cybertruck. When I bought my 2021 M3, it had significantly higher range (353 miles) compared to the Performance (315 miles). A 12% difference. For Non-FS Cybertruck Dual and Tri motor variants, both equipped with AT Tires, the range difference is only 4.3% (314 vs 301 miles). With the lighter core tires, the difference is a paltry 1.5% (325 vs 320 miles). It might be too early for this question, but are people getting a sense that they can get these kinds of ranges from their Cybertrucks? Considering the weight difference between AT and Core tires will result in a 2.8% range hit on the tri-motor, do you think introducing a heavier AT tire like a BFG KO3 would cause a larger range hit on the Tri vs the Dual? Thank in advance.

I have a FSB and the range is a consistent 300 miles all day every day. I know with some of the larger tires guys were seeing a 20 mile drop off in range, but I think that had to do with the size and not the weight. Truthfully the only way to find out is to try them out because the data is not there yet. Please let us know what happens!

 

[Wile]

Thanks for the quick responses. I've been saving for a CT since I put in my reservation in 2019. I passed on the Foundation Series due to price but now I can afford a non-FS tri or dual. If the range is this close, I might listen to my younger self and buy the tri-motor. ???

 

[Gaximus]

Thanks for the quick responses. I've been saving for a CT since I put in my reservation in 2019. I passed on the Foundation Series due to price but now I can afford a non-FS tri or dual. If the range is this close, I might listen to my younger self and buy the tri-motor. ???

You will never regret getting the CyberBeast, you can always put it in old man mode, and putt around(You won't). But you probably will think to yourself, "I love the AWD, but I kinda wish I had gotten the CB". I did the same thing with my Model S, Always regret not getting the Plaid. Loved it, but always thought, ...but if I had the plaid.

 

[Leifmb]

Hi All, I'm new to the forum. Considering trading my M3 for a Cybertruck. When I bought my 2021 M3, it had significantly higher range (353 miles) compared to the Performance (315 miles). A 12% difference. For Non-FS Cybertruck Dual and Tri motor variants, both equipped with AT Tires, the range difference is only 4.3% (314 vs 301 miles). With the lighter core tires, the difference is a paltry 1.5% (325 vs 320 miles). It might be too early for this question, but are people getting a sense that they can get these kinds of ranges from their Cybertrucks? Considering the weight difference between AT and Core tires will result in a 2.8% range hit on the tri-motor, do you think introducing a heavier AT tire like a BFG KO3 would cause a larger range hit on the Tri vs the Dual? Thank in advance.

The rear motors in the CT are induction so they can basically spin freely when not needed. It’s really the front, permanent magnet motor that pulls the vehicle so, the real difference comes from the weight of the extra motor in the beast. I can’t remember but it’s like 5-600 lbs heavier (the Cyberbeast) and such, a little less efficient going down the highway being pulled only by the same front motor, all else being equal.

 

[IronJoe]

Yeah, the two trims share the battery. The stock wheels are the only real physical difference.

Also, the EPA estimate assumes if you have more acceleration, you'll use it - so the Beast gets dinged a little on range for that. (Blame car companies for trying to do their EPA testing on their muscle cars in granny mode and I don't mean the one from Pasadena.)

-Crissa

Agree about the wheels being a big differentiator. Also weight difference between dual and tri-motor makes a difference in range estimates.

However it should be noted that the Cybertruck is not subject to EPA testing. "Since the Cybertruck is technically considered a heavy-duty pickup truck by the EPA's standards, Tesla isn't required to report fuel-economy figures to the government agency. " Source: Car & Driver

 

[scottf200]

The rear motors in the CT are induction so they can basically spin freely when not needed. It’s really the front, permanent magnet motor that pulls the vehicle so, the real difference comes from the weight of the extra motor in the beast. I can’t remember but it’s like 5-600 lbs heavier (the Cyberbeast) and such, a little less efficient going down the highway being pulled only by the same front motor, all else being equal.

Depends on which CT. I made a chart to make it easy to show.

 

[Leifmb]

Depends on which CT. I made a chart to make it easy to show.

Ahh, if so, I stand corrected! thx. Still though, the CT really uses only ONE motor to pull/push the CT along on the freeway or "regular" calm driving around town so its similar in efficiency at that level yet the CB is a bit heavier bc of the extra motor.

 

[Wile]

You will never regret getting the CyberBeast, you can always put it in old man mode, and putt around(You won't). But you probably will think to yourself, "I love the AWD, but I kinda wish I had gotten the CB". I did the same thing with my Model S, Always regret not getting the Plaid. Loved it, but always thought, ...but if I had the plaid.

I can relate to this. I plan to keep this truck for quite awhile. 4-5 years down the road I'll appreciate having the "spicy" version. And you're right, it is unlikely that I will be using the "old man mode" ?. I ordered the CB.

 

[Wile]

The rear motors in the CT are induction so they can basically spin freely when not needed. It’s really the front, permanent magnet motor that pulls the vehicle so, the real difference comes from the weight of the extra motor in the beast. I can’t remember but it’s like 5-600 lbs heavier (the Cyberbeast) and such, a little less efficient going down the highway being pulled only by the same front motor, all else being equal.

Understood. Looks like the weight difference between CT and CB is only 264lbs. I guess the another consideration is how often the rear two motors are activated during a drive. I imagine that placing acceleration in "chill" mode reduces the need to activate the rear motors.

 

[Crissa]

However it should be noted that the Cybertruck is not subject to EPA testing. "Since the Cybertruck is technically considered a heavy-duty pickup truck by the EPA's standards, Tesla isn't required ...

But that's irrelevant to Tesla using the EPA formula, which they did.

-Crissa

 

[kofitoshie]

Hi All, I'm new to the forum. Considering trading my M3 for a Cybertruck. When I bought my 2021 M3, it had significantly higher range (353 miles) compared to the Performance (315 miles). A 12% difference. For Non-FS Cybertruck Dual and Tri motor variants, both equipped with AT Tires, the range difference is only 4.3% (314 vs 301 miles). With the lighter core tires, the difference is a paltry 1.5% (325 vs 320 miles). It might be too early for this question, but are people getting a sense that they can get these kinds of ranges from their Cybertrucks? Considering the weight difference between AT and Core tires will result in a 2.8% range hit on the tri-motor, do you think introducing a heavier AT tire like a BFG KO3 would cause a larger range hit on the Tri vs the Dual? Thank in advance.

I am getting a better range swapping out my core wheels AS with KO3s. I will run this all year

 

[carsly]

Note the dual runs primarily RWD and has two lockers. Beast runs FWD and has one locker.

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