Musk: "Cybertruck pricing and specs will be different, but it will be a damn fine product."

[CyberGus]

The 4680 does not increase energy density by volume or space taken. It increases energy density overall by reducing the weight of the vehicle frame when combined with the structural pack. To get that 500 mi range they will either have a thicker pack or it will be double stacked. The wheel base is of the CT is not significantly longer enough than their other models to accommodate the additional kWh with the same thickness of pack. Also, structurally it would seem much easier to make a double stack than to try to shorten or lengthen the pack for added kWh. I will be super curious to see how they get all that battery in there and coil up that tonneau cover while structurally attaching the battery pack.

If it pleases the Court, I would like to present Exhibit "A":

From Tesla's Battery Day, the projected increase in range is due to:

• Cell-Vehicle Integration ("structural pack"): 14%
• Cathode Material: 4%
• Anode Material: 20%
• Cell Design: 16%

Adding another layer is not structural, it is the "sack of potatoes" method that Elon makes fun of.

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[savagecabbage]

So do you think they'll charge less for the top of the line CT that's the hottest truck in the world with fresh styling, quad motors, superior range and power to an entry level model X that basically has 8-year-old styling and is the least attractive SUV in the world? I don't see how they charge less for the top of the line CT than an entry level station wag....er, i mean model x

Looking up list of least attractive SUV, will not yield any hits on the Model X. While beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder, your opinion does not represent the vast majority of the population. You may say that Cindy Crawford at her peek was ugly, but you would not be representing a very large group of males (or females). The Model X is a head turner and one of the best looking SUV's currently in production. Even with its 6 year old design, it still looks better then most SUV's on the currently sold. If Hyperbole was your aim, then more power too you. Saying it is the least attractive SUV does not even remotely align with the majority.

The Cybertruck is indeed ugly to most people (that is common consensus) , but for me it is ugly in a really cool way. I own a lot of ugly things that I think are very cool (Aprilia Tuono). That being said.... I totally agree with you regarding the initial price. The Quad Motor will likely be over 100k, my previous response on another thread was $120k and I was ridiculed. While 120k might be the upper end I will stand firm on initial CT top end model be well north of 100k. I don't understand how anyone cannot see this as the most likely scenario. There are many possibilities for pricing, but if you were to look at probability pricing distribution for the top end CT4, i would bet the median being ~105k. Perhaps someone can do a poll? I think the issue with doing a poll on this forum, is it will be skewed by a lot of wishful thinking not anchored in the current reality.

A big curve ball could be a massive recession... that would impact prices significantly. That might make some people happy.

 

[Bill906]

...to an entry level model X that basically has 8-year-old styling and is the least attractive SUV in the world?

I love that your argument is based on the subjective qualities of the attractiveness and design age of the Model X. Most people (No one on this forum of course) considers the CT to be down right ugly. AND... it's design is often described as being inspired from video games of the 80's and 90's. So it's obviously going to be more expensive than the least attractive, 8-year-old styling of the Model X.

Edit: Sorry for the redundancy of the entry above. I'm at work and was writing this in some down time. While typing, a work issue rudely interrupted me mid-post. By the time I got back to finish, the other entry of similar content was already posted.

 

[CyberGus]

The Quad Motor will likely be over 100k, my previous response on another thread was $120k and I was ridiculed. While 120k might be the upper end I will stand firm on initial CT top end model be well north of 100k.

I ridicule you still. The only difference between the $69K Tri and the Quad is a single motor...and you think that's worth almost 50% of the whole truck? Huh??

If Hyperbole was your aim, then more power too you. Saying it is the least attractive SUV does not even remotely align with the majority.

IKR! What's with all the TSLAQ today lol

 

[Bill906]

The only difference between the $69K Tri and the Quad is a single motor...

@John K told me the Quad will come with a free pen!

 

[FutureBoy]

I think the issue with doing a poll on this forum, is it will be skewed by a lot of wishful thinking not anchored in the current reality.

Till Elon speaks or the official numbers are released, there is no current reality. It's all just speculation. What one person thinks is wishful thinking another sees as possible. What one person thinks is reality, another sees as TSLAQ nightmares.

From what I can see at the moment, it is all unsubstantiated projections of very dubious provenance.

For the moment, think of your CT preorder as being Schrödinger's cat. We think we have something in our possession but will it be something we want when we open the box?

 

[happy intruder]

Looking up list of least attractive SUV, will not yield any hits on the Model X. While beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder, your opinion does not represent the vast majority of the population. You may say that Cindy Crawford at her peek was ugly, but you would not be representing a very large group of males (or females). The Model X is a head turner and one of the best looking SUV's currently in production. Even with its 6 year old design, it still looks better then most SUV's on the currently sold. If Hyperbole was your aim, then more power too you. Saying it is the least attractive SUV does not even remotely align with the majority.

The Cybertruck is indeed ugly to most people (that is common consensus) , but for me it is ugly in a really cool way. I own a lot of ugly things that I think are very cool (Aprilia Tuono). That being said.... I totally agree with you regarding the initial price. The Quad Motor will likely be over 100k, my previous response on another thread was $120k and I was ridiculed. While 120k might be the upper end I will stand firm on initial CT top end model be well north of 100k. I don't understand how anyone cannot see this as the most likely scenario. There are many possibilities for pricing, but if you were to look at probability pricing distribution for the top end CT4, i would bet the median being ~105k. Perhaps someone can do a poll? I think the issue with doing a poll on this forum, is it will be skewed by a lot of wishful thinking not anchored in the current reality.

A big curve ball could be a massive recession... that would impact prices significantly. That might make some people happy.

hahaha.........beauty is in the eye of the beholder......I flew the A6E when I was in the Marine Corps........I thought it was the most beautiful, "ugly" aircraft made......the Russians hated it because it could penetrate deeper, linger longer and drop a bigger load .....not to mention the 3 nuclear weapon stations.....

 

[CyberGus]

It's all just speculation.

What do you think we're all here for, lool

 

[John K]

@John K told me the Quad will come with a free pen!

Create a movement, take the pen used to sign acceptance.

 

[savagecabbage]

hahaha.........beauty is in the eye of the beholder......I flew the A6E when I was in the Marine Corps........I thought it was the most beautiful, "ugly" aircraft made......the Russians hated it because it could penetrate deeper, linger longer and drop a bigger load .....not to mention the 3 nuclear weapon stations.....

I like the Intruder.... and I liked the Movie.

 

[happy intruder]

I like the Intruder.... and I liked the Movie.

I loved it.....over 2,500hrs flight time in the A/C

 

[Cybr on]

I cannot believe how many pages this thread has. blows me away. Not to mention the tension I can sense just from reading each post. Blows my mind in so many directions. Damn parallel universe! We all love and appreciate this wonderful machine that 99% of us have never even seen in person let alone touched or even been in. There’s not a person in Telsa’s company that cannot commend us for our strength and in some cases our long wind while we wait in line and talk it up like our turn is just right around the corner.
After today, Frkn Disneyland reps will read this and think

Hey Ralph, yea bob, what about a Cybertruck roller coaster for the big kids and a Cybertruck kiddie ride for the youngsters? Hey, already on it!!


Just picked up CT from giga Texas and tesla reps ask, “what are you going to do next?"
our response

"I'm going to Disneyland!"

 

[anionic1]

If it pleases the Court, I would like to present Exhibit "A":

From Tesla's Battery Day, the projected increase in range is due to:

• Cell-Vehicle Integration ("structural pack"): 14%
• Cathode Material: 4%
• Anode Material: 20%
• Cell Design: 16%

Adding another layer is not structural, it is the "sack of potatoes" method that Elon makes fun of.

We all know by know that you cant trust what Elon puts up on slides. We will meet half way in that the new cell chemistry has been tested to be about 7% more energy dense. That's still a lot less than the 50%ish better it would need to be to stay as a single layer to get to a 500. Also, due to weight and shape, its expected that the CT will have the most kwh/mile of any of the current tesla vehicles. The Model X long range has a 100 kWh pack has a 350 mile range so we need at least 42% increase to get to 500 miles of range assuming the same efficiency. So lets say 7% is battery chemistry. Recent comparisons between the model Ys coming out of CA and those coming out of Texas have shown no significant weight reduction so I am not going to bet on the CT structural pack having some crazy weight reduction due to the pack. The wheel base is about 28% longer than model x so lets call it 25% more room for batteries horizontally. So that gets us to 25+7=32% at best. my guess is that they will need to stack about 15%-20% of the pack to get that 500 mi range.

 

[shilvock22]

Looking up list of least attractive SUV, will not yield any hits on the Model X. While beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder, your opinion does not represent the vast majority of the population. You may say that Cindy Crawford at her peek was ugly, but you would not be representing a very large group of males (or females). The Model X is a head turner and one of the best looking SUV's currently in production. Even with its 6 year old design, it still looks better then most SUV's on the currently sold. If Hyperbole was your aim, then more power too you. Saying it is the least attractive SUV does not even remotely align with the majority.

The Cybertruck is indeed ugly to most people (that is common consensus) , but for me it is ugly in a really cool way. I own a lot of ugly things that I think are very cool (Aprilia Tuono). That being said.... I totally agree with you regarding the initial price. The Quad Motor will likely be over 100k, my previous response on another thread was $120k and I was ridiculed. While 120k might be the upper end I will stand firm on initial CT top end model be well north of 100k. I don't understand how anyone cannot see this as the most likely scenario. There are many possibilities for pricing, but if you were to look at probability pricing distribution for the top end CT4, i would bet the median being ~105k. Perhaps someone can do a poll? I think the issue with doing a poll on this forum, is it will be skewed by a lot of wishful thinking not anchored in the current reality.

A big curve ball could be a massive recession... that would impact prices significantly. That might make some people happy.

I knew all the tesla fanboys would latch on the the unattractive comment despite the other 4 attributes I listed that make the cybertruck superior. If you think that the top the line quad motor cybertruck will arrive at a price less than the entry level model x then we'll just have to agree to disagree. I personally think there's no way that happens.

 

[shilvock22]

Looking up list of least attractive SUV, will not yield any hits on the Model X. While beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder, your opinion does not represent the vast majority of the population. You may say that Cindy Crawford at her peek was ugly, but you would not be representing a very large group of males (or females). The Model X is a head turner and one of the best looking SUV's currently in production. Even with its 6 year old design, it still looks better then most SUV's on the currently sold. If Hyperbole was your aim, then more power too you. Saying it is the least attractive SUV does not even remotely align with the majority.

The Cybertruck is indeed ugly to most people (that is common consensus) , but for me it is ugly in a really cool way. I own a lot of ugly things that I think are very cool (Aprilia Tuono). That being said.... I totally agree with you regarding the initial price. The Quad Motor will likely be over 100k, my previous response on another thread was $120k and I was ridiculed. While 120k might be the upper end I will stand firm on initial CT top end model be well north of 100k. I don't understand how anyone cannot see this as the most likely scenario. There are many possibilities for pricing, but if you were to look at probability pricing distribution for the top end CT4, i would bet the median being ~105k. Perhaps someone can do a poll? I think the issue with doing a poll on this forum, is it will be skewed by a lot of wishful thinking not anchored in the current reality.

A big curve ball could be a massive recession... that would impact prices significantly. That might make some people happy.

Accept that I actually listed four other quantitative attributes that you somehow totally missed

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