Most 80-81" wide ICE competitors have option for 3-seat front row

[Gurule92]

I don't have a dog in this fight (well, I have a dog) but I should think that whoever wants the middle front seat is thinking about the monitor right in front of it. What if you accelerated or braked hard and your passenger flew into the monitor. That might not be pretty. Of course, if there is lots of space in front of their legs then it might be a moot point (assuming they are wearing a restraint) but we just don't have that information yet.

Seatbelt. Maybe an airbag in the sun visor bar? Idk.

They could think of something I'm sure. This is why they get paid the big bucks

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[Gurule92]

What do they do for the third row in the model Y? I feel like if we are playing the, you just crashed at 100mph where does your head go game. Those guys are getting a seat snack right?

 

[CyberGus]

What if you accelerated or braked hard and your passenger flew into the monitor.

I bang my head against a monitor daily

 

[CyberGus]

Seatbelt. Maybe an airbag in the sun visor bar? Idk.

Airbags inflate in about 50 ms, before you've even started flying forward.

There's no reason that an airbag couldn't deploy from an area lower than the center screen, and still have time to cover it fully and protect the middle-seat passenger.

 

[firsttruck]

Airbags inflate in about 50 ms, before you've even started flying forward.

There's no reason that an airbag couldn't deploy from an area lower than the center screen, and still have time to cover it fully and protect the middle-seat passenger.

There are seat-belts that have airbags.


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Feb 28, 2022
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https://gmauthority.com/blog/2022/0...nket-airbag-with-integrated-seat-belt-system/

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[firsttruck]

I bang my head against a monitor daily

Sounds very expensive replacing monitors.

I have be satisfied with only banging my head on the wooden desk.

 

[cvalue13]

Of course it's true there isa market for 40/20/40 bench seats in full sized trucks.

Of course some other manufacturers offer it.

And of course it is *possible* for Tesla to add a bench seat.

But the relevant question is whether there are space constraints that would make a CT bench *unlike* those offered by other manufacturers.

We don't know, but we have reasons to be eager to find out.

The exterior dimensions are not alone sufficient to answer the question. Afterall, the Rivian is also 80" wide and has the back seat of a damn Tacoma.

So rather than focusing on the strawmen, look instead at the 40/20/40 offerings from the manufacturers mentioned in OP - pay particular attention to the *width* of those offerings (e.g., all >3 cup-holder's width):

2021 Ford F-150 Lariat

2023 Ram 1500 Classic

2022 Silverado 1500

The above configurations and dimensions are what would be expected of a 40/20/60, and one can see this reflected in the early CT prototypes (note again >3 cup holder's width):

Compare the above widths of a meaningful "40/20/40" split bench offering to the width of the so-far known offering in the CT:

On that comparison, one arrives at what seems one of three possibilities:

(1) Like the Rivian, despite the exterior dimensions of the CT its interior width, for some reason, manages to constrain Tesla's ability to provide a meaningful 40/20/40 offering

(2) The CT's drivers/passenger seats will remain similarly sized to the pre-production prototypes seen, and any Telsa offering of a split bench will be a bizarre 45/10/45

(3) For Tesla to offer a competitive 40/20/40 split bench offering, room would need to be made by materially down-sizing both the driver's and passenger's seats to accommodate a meaningful "40/20/40" offering

Take your pick!

Personally, I think that if Tesla offers a 40/20/40 bench, then seems possible it will do so in virtue of having to downsize the dimensions, features, and comfort of the driver's/passenger seats.

Because unlike the CT we’ve seen, the other full-sized trucks shown above, when not in 40/20/40 configuration, have consoles equal in size/width to the “20” center

So, the existence of the pre-production configuration (with a console not as wide as others that offer 40/20/40s), together with other available information, can make reasonable people worry the answer could be (1) or (2).

We'll see.

The only thing that is clear: the pre-production configuration shown to date, cannot fit a meaningful 40/20/40 offering in between the space of the driver's/passenger seats shown. E.g., definitely not this:

 

[Ogre]

All have option for 3-seat front row with
center as fold-able seat that transforms to armrest with integrated cup-holders.
* dashboard center has touch screen, infotainment & climate controls, vent outlets.
* looks like air bag is not required for center seat.

I don‘t think any of the competition has a screen like the typical Tesla screen.

Also, none of those companies seem to give 2 shakes about actual safety so if the middle seat passenger gets a face full of glass, they don’t care. Tesla seems to actually care about that and very likely would not offer an unsafe option.

I love the idea of a center seat and want this very much. I’m just not sure saying “Ford and company offer it” is a great argument.

 

[jerhenderson]

5 is fine for me. I don't care about 3 in the front at all.

 

[cvalue13]

I personally don’t care about three in front, either

but I care a lot about 3 in back

since back seats are typically narrower than the front…

people who care about front or back seat width for 3 comfortably are rowing the same boat

 

[Greshnab]

I personally don’t care about three in front, either

but I care a lot about 3 in back

since back seats are typically narrower than the front…

people who care about front or back seat width for 3 comfortably are rowing the same boat

as i look at the interior of the cybertruck.. not sure that is true... in this case since the side panels are't flat.. it looks to me like the back seat area is slightly wider than the front.

 

[firsttruck]

Bench seats were fine when zero-to-sixty times were in the high 20's and cornering was a low-speed maneuver. The CT's performance necessitates a firm seat.

Not everybody is interested in using Cybertruck as hypercar.

Many just want EV truck/SUV with high passenger capacity (combo 6 adults/kids ) & huge capacity for lots of luggage/gear.

 

[firsttruck]

Airbag descending from roof/visor might be safer than airbags shot at 150mph directly at your face from the steering wheel or dash. Current direct at your face from front airbags frequently break wrists, arms and slam hand/arm into your face causing severe damage to face & eyes.

If you have a phone in your hand the airbag has good chance of slamming the phone and your hand into your face.
Drinking out of a metal/plastic cup and airbag slams cup & your hand into your face.
Taking a bite from a burger, etc and airbag slams your hand into your face.

Children in front or back seats might also be better protected by airbags that descend from the roof/visor or seat-back.

Also many adults with shorter arms have to sit much closer to steering wheel airbag and have much higher risk of injury from the force of airbag deployment.

Even when you are parked alongside a city street or parked in a parking lot another vehicle could hit your vehicle and cause the airbags to deploy.

Here is link for new thread for roof airbag discussion
https://www.cybertruckownersclub.co...rbags-shot-150mph-directly-at-your-face.8759/

 

[vameleon92]

I can accept most changes of the prototype we saw, but when it comes to removing option of 3rd seat, it maybe the only deal breaker for me. Really sad if they do not offer it as an option.


As mentioned above regarding the acceleration and G forces, practically comes first with a utilitiy vehicle.

 

[Greshnab]

I can accept most changes of the prototype we saw, but when it comes to removing option of 3rd seat, it maybe the only deal breaker for me. Really sad if they do not offer it as an option.


As mentioned above regarding the acceleration and G forces, practically comes first with a utilitiy vehicle.

i understand your point and feel that they will lose some customers if they don't have a third front row seat. However, I don't see it happening, and there are a few reasons.

the first reason i don't see a middle front seat is the spot for the phone holders. The only way a middle passenger would fit is if the center console folds up, and there is a seat there as originally designed. if the console were to fold up... the phone holders would be attached to the bottom of the dash or to the floor under the dash NOT the center console (I just can't see tesla not giving the drivere a place to put the phone, this has been a standard for tesla's for a bit>

2'nd reason is, as someone else pointed out.. that center console is fairly narrow.. not much bitter than my model Y .. .ad there is no room for a person to sit there!

there are other reasons... airbag etc... and we will all fid out for sure here in a few weeks.. however I wouldn't hold out hope for this feature.

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