Suicide charging port a massive problem?

[ColdRolledSS]

In the winter we tend to get a good bit of snow/ice buildup in the wheel wells. It usually comes off pretty easy, but I will have to remember not to whack the accumulation off in that area. I probably have at least one winter, likely two, to see if others report any issues

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[Setok]

Only the EU requires them. New Zealand and Australia also use them, but don't require them. Nor commonly use the three-phase power they enable at level 2.

Most of the world does not require any specific standard.


NACS doesn't allow the three phase AC that is common in EU Type 2 AC charging.

We'd be incompatible either way.

-Crissa

I was being a bit hazy. I admit I wasn’t actually sure if it’s a legal requirement outside the EU, just that it’s common in several places. Do Australian Teslas have CCS ports or NACS?

 

[Kremmen]

In all honestly, though, I’d be even more concerned about that spot being able to fit a CCS port, as required outside the US. It doesn’t look like it will fit. At best diagonally, which could be a bit odd. So it certainly looks like Tesla may have given almost no concern for other markets at this point. But let’s see.

By miles my biggest worry. Elon wasn't kidding when he said it was a US-centric design. The asymmetric firewall etc too; that's what killed RHD S and X. Which I am still more than bummed about.

Australia is the biggest per-capita truck market after the US itself. C'mon Elon, throw us a bone...

 

[Setok]

Why do you think use of the NACS standard requires licensing from Tesla after they made it an open standard? Absolutely makes zero sense. By definition, it does not require licensing, Tesla gave it away for free when they published the standards.

Before it was an open standard Tesla made it clear that they wanted others to use to use it and would make it easy/cheap for others to use it. But legacy auto was still in the mode of trying to isolate Tesla, make it difficult for electric cars to gain traction, and hopefully make Tesla fail. There was no way Tesla could work with that, otherwise they would have made a related standard to take advantage of 3-phase AC charging. The truth is, no one wanted EVs to be easy to adopt, particularly if they were Tesla EVs.

It's been an uphill battle for Tesla every step of the way and it's only now, now that they are top dog, that others come sheepishly to them to take advantage of what they have created with their own money. The reason they are not leading the way in Europe is only because the EU actively prevented them from doing so.

Having a standard published openly does not mean it can be used freely. Patents and other licensing can limit that. I’m not aware of the exact details regarding NACS.

In any case NACS was not openly available back then, so the point is mute. Obviously other manufacturers have to have something, and they ended up with CCS. All other chargers and all other cars had CCS except Tesla. So when deciding on a standard it was an easy choice, with the justification being that having a common standard benefits competition and EV adoption. Which it has. Whether that should have been regulated is another matter, but that’s how it went.

I haven’t seen the EU particularly trying to hinder Tesla beyond some protectionism of the local manufacturing. If anything, the tight anti ICE deadlines actually benefit Tesla (BMW for instance has complained).

 

[Kremmen]

Do Australian Teslas have CCS ports or NACS?

CCS. (It's fine for home charging. Little bigger than the Tesla charger.)

 

[Kremmen]

NACS doesn't allow the three phase AC that is common in EU Type 2 AC charging.

We'd be incompatible either way.

This. No giant conspiracy.

 

[HaulingAss]

Having a standard published openly does not mean it can be used freely. Patents and other licensing can limit that. I’m not aware of the exact details regarding NACS.

It looks like you need me to spell it out for you:

Tesla doesn't charge a bloody dime to competitors who use the NACS standard. They have waived all patent rights and royalties. It is 100% free!

 

[HaulingAss]

CCS. (It's fine for home charging. Little bigger than the Tesla charger.)

CCS is not a little bigger than NACS, it's grossly bigger (and uglified).

 

[Crissa]

I was being a bit hazy. I admit I wasn’t actually sure if it’s a legal requirement outside the EU, just that it’s common in several places. Do Australian Teslas have CCS ports or NACS?

Technically NACS is a newer standard than they're using elsewhere.

But Tesla uses the Tesla connector everywhere except the EU (where they use CCS2) and mainland China (where they use GB/T and Tesla). They use NACS in North America.

Edit:

CCS. (It's fine for home charging. Little bigger than the Tesla charger.)

Really? That's new then, I wonder when they switched...
https://www.teslaowners.org.au/charging

Aha! 2019, coincidently when they started exporting from Giga Shanghai. Oh, and they changed to that port in New Zealand by 2021, too.

-Crissa

 

[Tiberius]

obviously lots misunderstanding about what NACS and CCS are.
NACS has "North American" in its name, which is a huge hint as to where its used
Reading the CCS press releases you would think that CCS is a worldwide standard, which at best is glossing over the differences.
The US CCS Combo1 connector uses the J1772 on top of the franken-plug, the EU plugs are the completely different CCS Combo2 connector, which is mechanically incompatible with the US plugs. So have no coverage overlap.
Tesla don't use NACS in Europe.

 

[Crissa]

And while NACS is backwards compatible with the old Tesla standard, it's not the same protocols.

-Crissa

 

[PilotPete]

In the winter we tend to get a good bit of snow/ice buildup in the wheel wells. It usually comes off pretty easy, but I will have to remember not to whack the accumulation off in that area. I probably have at least one winter, likely two, to see if others report any issues

 

[jerhenderson]

Have people lost their minds around here? A massive problem, LOL! I've been off-roading for decades and I don't see the problem. A lot of my off-roading was in the PNW which typically involves a lot of crashing through alder saplings and driving over branches that love to "thwack" the side of your rig.

Nobody is going to put Gorilla Tape to hold the charge port cover closed simply because they're going off-road, because that would be inconvenient and there is not a shred of information that hints it will be needed. It's the over-active imagination of people who have never designed a real product before.

Armchair quarterbacking seems to have become really popular in the last decade.

applying a piece of tape has become inconvenient?

 

[HaulingAss]

applying a piece of tape has become inconvenient?

Yeah, that would be the last thing on my mind before I drove the Cybertruck off-road! Ooops, better put a piece of tape on the charge port door just in case, LOL! The things people come up with amaze me.

 

[HaulingAss]

Australia is the biggest per-capita truck market after the US itself. C'mon Elon, throw us a bone...

Did Australia recently pass up Thailand in terms of the most pickups per capita?

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