Ambient lighting + floor mount accelerator pedal + that air freshener! 😆

[TheLastStarfighter]

Your experience in your professional field appears appears to allow you, from the armchair, to override the experience of people who have sat in and driven the truck

that’s a valuable skillset!



all car designs have compromises. The CT is no different. In fact, maybe moreso.

it doesn’t help the Cybertruck or Tesla to put your fingers in your ears and repeat “it’s flawless, I guarantee it’s flawless”

except for maybe a certain subset of “fans”

I never said it's flawless. I said the thin, highly diagonal A1 forward pillar and the more rearward thick vertical A2 pillar combination will provide a less significant blind spot than a traditional single diagonal thick A pillar.

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[cvalue13]

I never said it's flawless. I said the thin, highly diagonal A1 forward pillar and the more rearward thick vertical A2 pillar combination will provide a less significant blind spot than a traditional single diagonal thick A pillar.

the CT’s A2 pillar is exactly where a traditional pillar is (the forward dash line), which is exactly zero distance closer/further than a traditional. And the CT’s is both far wider and larger in overall area than any Traditional

the A1 pillar has no analogue in almost any traditional, and zero trucks


The question isn’t whether the cyber trucks pillars obscure materially more vision than any traditional truck. They absolutely do.

this, is zany:

less significant blind spot than a traditional single diagonal thick A pillar.

The question instead is whether this issue is sufficiently mitigated by any technology


Have you seen any forward looking corner cameras?

 

[TheLastStarfighter]

the CT’s A2 pillar is exactly where a traditional pillar is (the forward dash line), which is exactly zero distance closer/further than a traditional. And the CT’s is both far wider and larger in overall area than any Traditional

the A1 pillar has no analogue in almost any traditional, and zero trucks


The question isn’t whether the cyber trucks pillars obscure materially more vision than any traditional truck. They absolutely do.

this, is zany:



The question instead is whether this issue is sufficiently mitigated by any technology


Have you seen any forward looking corner cameras?

No. The A2 pillar is further back than the corresponding A1 Pillar in an F150, and it's completely vertical while the F150 is diagonal. If only there was someone around here who liked to doodle on diagrams of the two trucks...

 

[SlegMD]

Just realized whoever is driving that CT has a peculiar diet. To each there own of course.

 

[Puhiniho]

That’s true, but I’d actually use it if it had a function and/or didn’t reflect onto the windshield. I think this is why most ambient lighting is under the dash. Lucky for us Tesla iterates almost constantly and listens to their customers (sometimes).

As for the functionality it could totally be added through a software update and Tesla is the absolute best at this. Just look at how they improved camera quality in HW3. Amazing!

It can only be added in software if the LEDs were hardware designed to be, e.g. fully addressable LEDs and/or dimmable. Otherwise it's either all on or all off.

And my friend has an ID4 and the LED casting in the windshield/dash during GPS nav is pretty cool, although they rarely use it other than to showing it off.

Hopefully we'll know everything in T-17 days?

 

[cvalue13]

No. The A2 pillar is further back than the corresponding A1 Pillar in an F150, and it's completely vertical while the F150 is diagonal. If only there was someone around here who liked to doodle on diagrams of the two trucks...

how close the driver is to the steering wheel/pedals is a matter of ergonomics. Slide seat forward, slide seat back. Slide wheel forward, slide wheel back.

so how “far back” the A2 pillar is from the driver will be determined by how the driver prefers to position themselves from the steering wheel/pedals - and so the dash / door jam.

what's relevant to compare, then, is where the pillar is relative to the dash.

F150 is no different than the below (because the A2 is also at the dash / door jam), but the F150 is materially larger/wider inside to distort any good photo compare - so here's your better compare (a TACO)

 

[Setok]

how close the driver is to the steering wheel/pedals is a matter of ergonomics. Slide seat forward, slide seat back. Slide wheel forward, slide wheel back.

so how “far back” the A2 pillar is from the driver will be determined by how the driver prefers to position themselves from the steering wheel/pedals - and so the dash / door jam.

what's relevant to compare, then, is where the pillar is relative to the dash.

F150 is no different than the below (because the A2 is also at the dash / door jam), but the F150 is materially larger/wider inside to distort any good photo compare - so here's your better compare (a TACO)

You’re not factoring in the viewing angle, though. These pictures are from the passenger side. The driver view of the same pillars will be different, squishing the vertical one and, depending on the diagonal angle of the A pillar, effectively shortening or partially hiding it. I do find in other vehicles that vertical pillars are way less problematic in general. Of course visibility out the passenger side will definitely be worse.

Not to say this won’t be an issue on the driver side too. Just that this picture doesn’t indicate how much.

 

[Crissa]

Just realized whoever is driving that CT has a peculiar diet. To each there own of course.

Sugar?

-Crissa

 

[Coolbreeze704]

how close the driver is to the steering wheel/pedals is a matter of ergonomics. Slide seat forward, slide seat back. Slide wheel forward, slide wheel back.

so how “far back” the A2 pillar is from the driver will be determined by how the driver prefers to position themselves from the steering wheel/pedals - and so the dash / door jam.

what's relevant to compare, then, is where the pillar is relative to the dash.

F150 is no different than the below (because the A2 is also at the dash / door jam), but the F150 is materially larger/wider inside to distort any good photo compare - so here's your better compare (a TACO)

Easy to solve. Get an Archie comic book and go to the back and you will find a lot of options to solve this issue.

For myself I plan on letting FSD worry about blind sponts.

 

[cvalue13]

You’re not factoring in the viewing angle, though.

sure I am - just taking one point at a time.

eg, to the degree what you say RE driver’s side is true (nominally), it’s counter-balanced by various things eg: at least on the passenger’s side, the ‘triangle window’ is presented to the driver for a peephole to that side, whereas on the driver’s side that triangle is all but reduced to nothing (the moreso, the taller/further back the driver is from dash)

meanwhile-meanwhile, notice how tall the CT’s door sills are, and so that much higher are the side mirrors? This is known issue in truck-sized things. For both obscuring vision to both the front corners, as well as blind-spot vision in the mirrors themselves for things (eg small cars) that are low to ground.

Ever wondered why an F150’s front doors are designed to have the sill dip low towards the A-pillar (opening up corner vision forward because the mirrors are set lower, as well as reward mirror vision for the same reason)

Now, to be clear, I’m not saying this to bang on and trash the CT.

I’m saying in the face of wildly unsubstantiated claims that the CT’s forward corner visibility is “guaranteed” to be better than any traditional pickup design.

It’s not. It’s worse.

People here often like to pull out the chestnut of “form follows function,” regarding the CT. They meanwhile call traditional truck forms boring, etc. Ironically missing that traditional cab designs, when it comes to visibility, have no small degree of constraint from the fact that form follows function.

Want unique design that flies in the face of those learnings, get strange consequences.

 

[Setok]

sure I am - just taking one point at a time.

eg, to the degree what you say RE driver’s side is true (nominally), it’s counter-balanced by various things eg: at least on the passenger’s side, the ‘triangle window’ is presented to the driver for a peephole to that side, whereas on the driver’s side that triangle is all but reduced to nothing (the moreso, the taller/further back the driver is from dash)

meanwhile-meanwhile, notice how tall the CT’s door sills are, and so that much higher are the side mirrors? This is known issue in truck-sized things. For both obscuring vision to both the front corners, as well as blind-spot vision in the mirrors themselves for things (eg small cars) that are low to ground.

Ever wondered why an F150’s front doors are designed to have the sill dip low towards the A-pillar (opening up corner vision forward because the mirrors are set lower, as well as reward mirror vision for the same reason)

Now, to be clear, I’m not saying this to bang on and trash the CT.

I’m saying in the face of wildly unsubstantiated claims that the CT’s forward corner visibility is “guaranteed” to be better than any traditional pickup design.

It’s not. It’s worse.

People here often like to pull out the chestnut of “form follows function,” regarding the CT. They meanwhile call traditional truck forms boring, etc. Ironically missing that traditional cab designs, when it comes to visibility, have no small degree of constraint from the fact that form follows function.

Want unique design that flies in the face of those learnings, get strange consequences.

Oh I agree that there is some reason to be concerned about the visibility out of the CT. I love the visibility on our old Defender with its upright and slim (by modern standards) A pillars. Plus you can see the corners of the bonnet, which match up almost perfectly with the edges of the car. This is great offroad but also great around town. The slanted, thick A pillars of the Model 3 caused some iffy moments several times, and I always struggled to perfectly place that. I fear the Cybertruck might be worse.

 

[cvalue13]

Oh I agree that there is some reason to be concerned about the visibility out of the CT.

rewatching the interior video from yesterday (RIP tesla employee), and thought of this thread

notice this SUV in the parking lot?

how about now?

 

[Setok]

rewatching the interior video from yesterday (RIP tesla employee), and thought of this thread

notice this SUV in the parking lot?

how about now?

The passenger side visibility can indeed get poor. In fairness, it’s poor in many vehicles due to speakers and other stuff in the same corner.

 

[anionic1]

I love the embossed Cybertruck silhouette on the air bag cover.

That’s one massive A-Pillar blind spot behind the Elon air freshener.

Sorry officer I sideswiped the limo cause he was in my blind spot.

 

[Deleted member 17810]

rewatching the interior video from yesterday (RIP tesla employee), and thought of this thread

notice this SUV in the parking lot?

how about now?

So you agree, great visibility.

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