Videos: best look yet @ interior, folded-up backseat, tonneau cover, display screen UI, range meter

[scottf200]

Great way of putting it for those two potential buyer pools.

I believe there is even a stronger case for the full sized 5 seater SUV segment (I'm working on a sizing comparison table for this)

• The lockable, weather tight cargo capacity with 5 occupants will beat a Tahoe, Expedition or Sequoia and might even beat the extended wheelbase variants.
• Turning circle should be about 40ft, matching or smaller than those vehicles while having a much longer wheelbase.
• Ground clearance and general off-road/snow capability should be much better
• Towing and payload will be higher in cybertruck
• Interior space only slightly smaller than American SUVs and pretty close to a sequoia.
• SS skin and lower CG for increased safety.
• Rear seat screen for kids (hopefully with headphones)

Do you think it passes the 3 kid seat test?

The Rivian R1S has gotten a lot of accolades. AFAIK it has outsold the R1T.

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[HaulingAss]

What a silly thing to say. Most towing using 1/2 ton pickups is local, contractors, Home Depot loads, roof joists, concrete formwork, boats to the lake, yard and garden equipment, ditch witches, equipment rentals, furniture and appliances, kayak rentals, hot tubs, etc. 350 miles of range is more than enough for the things people most use a 1/2 truck to tow.

Why do people keep repeating this nonsense? They act like as soon as a trailer is hitched to a 1/2 ton pickup it's going hundreds or thousands of miles. Sure, a small percentage of 1/2 ton owners do that but that doesn't mean Cybertruck won't be good for most types of towing tasks that contractors and businesses need.

 

[newwave1331]

The Rivian R1S has gotten a lot of accolades. AFAIK it has outsold the R1T.

Its on my list too. I tried pulling numbers from edmunds but things like cargo space behind 2nd row isn't available. Just like truck specs, I need to go to a lot of manufactures' websites to get certain specs. Surprisingly, noone uses the chicken unit standard.

 

[KScheidt]

Straight up untrue

I was just using the numbers the poster you were referring to was using. Unfortunately if you want actuals, those aren’t as readily available though we do have some inclinations.

Shortly after launch in 2019, Elon said “146k Cybertruck orders so far, with 42% choosing dual, 41% tri & 17% single motor”. Using these figures we see around 60% of orders for trucks with ~300Mi or less range (Dual and Single).

When the tracker breached 1 Million (and before people started adding made up trims like “Quad” the distribution was 48% Dual, 44% Tri, and 8% Single which still puts the majority of buyers (56%) looking for ~300Mi or less. (Note: These are extrapolated from self-reported stats so less accurate than Elon’s original figures above.)

Fact is, the majority of buyers preordered a truck with about 300Mi of range (or less).

 

[Crimson_Fate]

Its possible that this is the 3 motor varient CT. If its the same battery pack for the 2 motor it would have even less range so it may be 300 for the 3 and 330 for the dual ( just like the MYP vs MY)

 

[CyberCowboy]

There is no midgate, only zuul ...

Terrible attempt at interconnected humor that probably nobody will get ...

However, it's confirmed no midgate, take a look at the unfinished castings, there is structure where a midgate would be.

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[charliemagpie]

Man there are some serious mental gymnastics going on to justify rainbow road range here.
There are those of us on here (myself included) that really have a use case where the original holy grail 500 mile truck lived.
If JBree is correct and I have good reason to belive he is then even at 168kWh the truck is going to be in the high 300/low 400 range based on what some have deduced about the range of the 120 +- 5 kWh and resulting range that ALL TRUCKS for the foreseeable future will be sold with.

Its clear that this truck is much heavier and much less efficient than Tesla hoped for. Considering the 4 years they had to work on the truck i feel pretty confident that a 500 mile range version may not come to this platform, ever. Another version down the road? Maybe but as more and more charging pops up less people will demand it.


Personally I am really looking forward to the 12/1 fireworks if this debate is any indication.

I could agree with you if I was doing the calculating. Seriously, EM would make such an error?

 

[cvalue13]

Great way of putting it for those two potential buyer pools.

I believe there is even a stronger case for the full sized 5 seater SUV segment (I'm working on a sizing comparison table for this)

• The lockable, weather tight cargo capacity with 5 occupants will beat a Tahoe, Expedition or Sequoia and might even beat the extended wheelbase variants.
• Turning circle should be about 40ft, matching or smaller than those vehicles while having a much longer wheelbase.
• Ground clearance and general off-road/snow capability should be much better
• Towing and payload will be higher in cybertruck
• Interior space only slightly smaller than American SUVs and pretty close to a sequoia.
• SS skin and lower CG for increased safety.
• Rear seat screen for kids (hopefully with headphones)

Do you think it passes the 3 kid seat test?

I’ve LONG been beating the drum that full sized trucks are as good or better family cars than anything but a minivan. Especially those with 3 littles.

My wife’s expedition barely fits rearward-facingfull-sized car seats (in terms of them pressing up against the front row seats), and forget about accessing the third row. It gets only nominally better once the car seats turn forward-facing.

With the Cybertruck, the question is how true does all this hold given it’s interior dimensions aren’t quite full-sized?



I’m pretty certain the CT rear seat will technically fit some combination of three car seats. Afterall, there are some sedans and mid-sized SUVs that can, technically, fit certain makes or models of carseats three-across.

A separate matter, where the full sized trucks shine, is how much access room is left available. Eg, for kids to climb in the truck at the floorboard, and be able to pass between the front row and the car seats. Eg, for parents to be able to reach across the outermost seats to reach the middle seat buckles. And finally, that full sized trucks can fit three full-sized, highest-level (in terms of safety ratings) car seats. This ease of access, roominess, and accessibility, in a full sized truck, like I said is surpassed maybe only by a minivan.

Which is to say, there’s fitting two or three car seats, then there’s fitting two or three car seats.


On this question, I have no doubt the CT will fit, but not nearly as well as a full sized truck, some combo of two or three car seats. Not with as great as access, roominess, and accessibility - but as well or better as MANY folks manage in certain sedans or mid-sized SUVs (or even full-sized SUVs with inaccessible third rows).

I haven’t checked if the third row has a third set of LATCH (Lower Anchors and Tethers for Children), which most (all?) full sized trucks lack.

All that said, one score for the Cybertruck as compared to a full sized SUV - in low suspension mode, moms and kids will have a nominally easier time crawling in or hand-loading kids.

 

[scottf200]

A separate matter, where the full sized trucks shine, is how much access room is left available. Eg, for kids to climb in the truck at the floorboard, and be able to pass between the front row and the car seats. Eg, for parents to be able to reach across the outermost seats to reach the middle seat buckles. And finally, that full sized trucks can fit three full-sized, highest-level (in terms of safety ratings) car seats. This ease of access, roominess, and accessibility, in a full sized truck, like I said is surpassed maybe only by a minivan.

Which is to say, there’s fitting two or three car seats, then there’s fitting two or three car seats.


On this question, I have no doubt the CT will fit, but not nearly as well as a full sized truck, some combo of two or three car seats. Not with as great as access, roominess, and accessibility - but as well or better as MANY folks manage in certain sedans or mid-sized SUVs (or even full-sized SUVs with inaccessible third rows).

It sure seems like that slope from the apex will really impact the headroom and ingress/egress.
Access to the middle kids car seat does not look fun.

At a high-level, it seems they could have did something like the yellow lines in the below picture.

Good kids seat and Model X article: https://thecarseatlady.com/vehicles/suv/tesla-model-x/
The 5/7 seat Model X seems to have the best access!!

 

[HaulingAss]

You are misrepresenting your previous position that towing with a 350-mile range Cybertruck in simply "not feasible" and simultaneously ignoring the truth on the ground that, by far, most towing jobs performed by 1/2-ton trucks are local in nature. Characterizing it as "city limits junk hauling" trivializes just how important local hauling is (relative to long-haul towing) for this class of pickup and it's not just limited to "city limits". On suburban and country roads, where traffic tends to flow at slower speeds, towing large loads does not have the same impact on range as Interstate travel at 70 mph. It's a non-issue.

It's apparent that you simply want to be an anti-EV force and exaggerate the very real limitations of the current offering of EV trucks while calling anyone who dares to expose your wrong-headed perspectives an "Elon blowhard and cultist". Anyone who knows how this class of pickup is actually used in day-to-day productivity of actual businesses and tradesmen can see you are clearly the blowhard here.

The Cybertruck will be a real workhorse of a truck to real businesses, tradesmen and handymen needing to get real work done, and that includes towing heavy or awkwardly sized loads around a multi-county area. The economical operation of a truck able to regularly put in 100–200-mile days, doing real work, will shame the expenses of a gas truck and boost the botton line, not only for independent tradesmen, but also businesses having small fleets of light trucks supporting their operations.

Remember, there are only 8 hours in a normal workday and it's uneconomical to spend the majority of the day driving around. That's why the Cybertrucks superior towing ability will save businesses who need to get stuff done so much time and money. A gas stop takes time out of the workday. Gas trucks do not start every day full of gas and ready to go. I know because I've worked many jobs where we used pickups to tow loads too big for a pickup truck.

 

[HaulingAss]

It sure seems like that slope from the apex will really impact the headroom and ingress/egress.
Access to the middle kids car seat does not look fun.

At a high-level, it seems they could have did something like the yellow lines in the below picture.

Good kids seat and Model X article: https://thecarseatlady.com/vehicles/suv/tesla-model-x/
The 5/7 seat Model X seems to have the best access!!

Sheesh! Pickup trucks are terrible for kid's seat access anyway, way too tall, unless you are a 7-foot-tall NBA star. At least the Cybertruck can lower to the ground if you really want to use a pickup to haul toddlers around. It's far from optimal but, in a pinch, the Cybertruck offers better access because it's lower. A Model Y or a Model X is a better tool for the job than any full-sized pickup.

The things people say around here make me wonder what their motive is. It's like they want the Cybertruck to do everything well. There is no vehicle like that! That's not to say the Cybertruck will not be incredibly versatile.

 

[CyberGus]

How do you know it's a cult? You're never at the meetings

 

[ED_SFO]

I've already laid out the evidence: (77kw * 55m) / 0.29% = 243 KWH total

For those that don't know....the charge rate is not linear.

There are a lot of interesting information provided by the leaked video...I think CT will have a pretty large pack if at 71% SOC @ 77kwh and 55 mins left to full. My guess is 120kw at the bare minimum.

 

[BenH]

I own a M3 LR(310miles) almost 5 years. Now it has range about 260miles(64kwh). I take 260 miles trip(same destination) about 4 to 5 times every year on east coast. For first 4 years, I have to go out on an exit and drive 15 minutes to super charge station(30 minutes round trip) Lately, Tesla added 1 new supercharge station in one of rest area that save me 30 minutes. After I reach destination, I have to go to ChargePoint station to make sure I can reach supercharge station on my way home. One time, I also took a 400 miles trip. It takes at least 1.5 hours more in comparison to a ICE car. So, I will not buy any BEV if under 450miles change.

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