Cyberlandr for Cybertruck

[Joelowesd]

Has anyone who received the Cybertruck also purchase the Cyberlandr? If so did they say it was ready to get with your delivery? If anyone gets one, would like to get feedback on it.

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[HaulingAss]

Has anyone who received the Cybertruck also purchase the Cyberlandr? If so did they say it was ready to get with your delivery? If anyone gets one, would like to get feedback on it.

The small size of the Cyberlandr doesn't appear to make much sense.

There is not a chance in hell Cyberlandrs could be ready to deliver anytime soon.

 

[Cybergirl]

Yes, I have a Cyberlandr reserved. Now that the specs for Cybertruck are final, the people at StreamIt say they will reveal the 2nd generation design once they take delivery of their own CT. The Cyberlandr was one of the reasons I bought a Cybertruck which I should be getting in a month or two. There are lots of people who find the Cyberlandr concept untenable, and it's undoubtedly a challenging engineering project, but how wonderful if they can pull it off. I'm holding out hope that it will be delivered in 2025. My interest in the Cybertruck/Cyberlandr combination is for OHV travel without the hassles and discomforts of tent camping in my younger days. There's so much more of the country to see beyond our crowed national parks.

The OHV use case with Cyberlandr is an interesting topic in itself. Since the vault of the Cybertruck is consumed by the collapsed Cyberlandr, how does one accommodate all the stuff that camping demands? With the payload capacity of Cybertruck now known, I have some ideas of how this can be made to work.

The AWD Cybertruck has an overall 2500 lb payload capacity. The max payload capacity of Cybertruck's bed is 1300 lbs. The Cyberlandr should weigh no more than that stowed in the vault when traveling including about 100 lbs of kitchen utensils, some food, etc. The Cyberlandr will have its own small fridge, induction cook top, sink, dry flush toilet, shower, recycled water supply, convertible chair/beds, solar roof, and HVAC for all-season use.

In addition to the 1300 lbs of cargo in the bed, the weight distribution guide allows for five (5) 150 lb passengers in the cabin and 400 lbs of cargo in the frunk. For two travelers, which is what the Cyberlandr can accommodate, the space behind the front seats can be used to store 3 x 150 = 450 lbs of cargo. With the rear seats locked in the up position, and with CT's 90 deg opening rear doors, there's plenty of space behind the front seat to place a removable shelving unit to hold bulky gear like clothing, blankets, personal supplies, extra food, a second refrigerator (portable), extra water, hiking gear, collapsible chairs/table, etc. Half of that 400 lbs of rear seat capacity could be used to hold a portable propane generator and fuel when more range is needed.

It'll be hard to max out the 400 pound payload capacity of the frunk being as small as it is. I'll use it for smaller, heavier items, a canopy, tools, telescope, camera gear, etc.

If the final design of the Cyberlandr allows it to be easily removed from the bed, Cybertruck can be returned to use as apickup making the Cybertruck a truly all-purpose vehicle.

 

[konakid67]

I have looked at what could be added reasonably to that space. You are looking at a tough task
"The Cyberlandr will have its own small fridge, induction cook top, sink, dry flush toilet, shower, recycled water supply, convertible chair/beds, solar roof, and HVAC for all-season"
Roughly 53" x 71". Take some tape and lay that out in your garage and you will get a good idea of how tight that is. Or if you have a full size bed to compare
Kevin

 

[Cybergirl]

I have looked at what could be added reasonably to that space. You are looking at a tough task
"The Cyberlandr will have its own small fridge, induction cook top, sink, dry flush toilet, shower, recycled water supply, convertible chair/beds, solar roof, and HVAC for all-season"
Roughly 53" x 71". Take some tape and lay that out in your garage and you will get a good idea of how tight that is. Or if you have a full size bed to compare
Kevin

You're making some assumptions that limit your view as what can be accomplished. The size of Cyberlandr is not restricted to the size of CT's bed. If you allow for the unit to expand longitudinally to say 96", laterally to 60" and 84" vertically, you're talking the size of a standard bathroom which is surprisingly roomy for a truck camper. I can only guess how the engineers will package the unit to allow space for the water tanks, plumbing, water recycling, and HVAC, but it's not an impossible problem.

 

[konakid67]

I am just saying it is a tight space, the height will help. Pic from their site

Kevin

 

[Cybergirl]

I am just saying it is a tight space, the height will help. Pic from their site

Kevin

Indeed it is. I suspect that, like the Cybertruck itself, some of what has been promised will not be in the production version. The main feature for me is the absence of additional aerodynamic drag and the go anywhere nature of Cyberlandr. Every other camper concept, e.g., Space Campers, Camp365, trailers, etc., will reduce range on a vehicle which already has modest range, and the Range Extender doesn't help for an in-the-bed camper, and trailers limit where one can go.

I've done a lot of camping in a Class B Sprinter conversion, so I have some experience living in small spaces. So much depends on efficient, multiple use of available space. A 6+ foot long place to sleep for two which vanishes when it's not needed is basic. The trick is to use vertical space intelligently. It's also necessary to use light weight but strong sheet material with insulating qualities to enclose living space. How those guys will get all that to collapse into the 50 cf of space inside the vault is going to be amazing to see. I believe they are falling back on first principles to achieve it and using every design trick in the book to achieve it.

 

[JBee]

Indeed it is. I suspect that, like the Cybertruck itself, some of what has been promised will not be in the production version. The main feature for me is the absence of additional aerodynamic drag and the go anywhere nature of Cyberlandr. Every other camper concept, e.g., Space Campers, Camp365, trailers, etc., will reduce range on a vehicle which already has modest range, and the Range Extender doesn't help for an in-the-bed camper, and trailers limit where one can go.

I've done a lot of camping in a Class B Sprinter conversion, so I have some experience living in small spaces. So much depends on efficient, multiple use of available space. A 6+ foot long place to sleep for two which vanishes when it's not needed is basic. The trick is to use vertical space intelligently. It's also necessary to use light weight but strong sheet material with insulating qualities to enclose living space. How those guys will get all that to collapse into the 50 cf of space inside the vault is going to be amazing to see. I believe they are falling back on first principles to achieve it and using every design trick in the book to achieve it.

I think you are being overly optimistic in regards to usable size. You need to go and look at how small the bed is in real life.

Spacecamper unfolds bigger as it unfolds to the CT roof apex and not behind the bed, has a bigger much more comfortable bed, uses no bed space at all to store itself, and you can still sleep there with the bed full of gear, it in fact increases bed space too, is also removable and costs less.

It doesn't lose any space because of the rear roof overhang in the bed.

It also doesn't have a thousand moving peices with seals that will fail. Let alon double slidout which is difficult to support the structure of.

Range degradation will be around 10-15%. You can make that up by going 10mpg slower, aka 70 instead of 80.

Much better compromise.

 

[Cybergirl]

I think you are being overly optimistic in regards to usable size. You need to go and look at how small the bed is in real life.

Spacecamper unfolds bigger as it unfolds to the CT roof apex and not behind the bed, has a bigger much more comfortable bed, uses no bed space at all to store itself, and you can still sleep there with the bed full of gear, it in fact increases bed space too, is also removable and costs less.

It doesn't lose any space because of the rear roof overhang in the bed.

It also doesn't have a thousand moving peices with seals that will fail. Let alon double slidout which is difficult to support the structure of.

Range degradation will be around 10-15%. You can make that up by going 10mpg slower, aka 70 instead of 80.

Much better compromise.

The Space Campers is a good 3-season tent camper design. I like how it looks on the CT, as well. I wouldn't mind having one while waiting for my Cyberlandr.

 

[Woodrick]

It appears to me as if it 4x6 when travelling and 4x8 when open. It appears to be the length of the tailgate.
And therefore = piece of plywood.

And 6ft tall max.

 

[Cybergirl]

It appears to me as if it 4x6 when travelling and 4x8 when open. It appears to be the length of the tailgate.
And therefore = piece of plywood.

And 6ft tall max.

If you assume the original design concept is what will be delivered, and that it must fit into the bed which is 53" wide at the floor, then yes.

 

[Deleted member 17810]

It appears to me as if it 4x6 when travelling and 4x8 when open. It appears to be the length of the tailgate.
And therefore = piece of plywood.

And 6ft tall max.

4 "x 5.5" + a foot cubby.

 

[HaulingAss]

The main feature for me is the absence of additional aerodynamic drag and the go anywhere nature of Cyberlandr. Every other camper concept, e.g., Space Campers, Camp365, trailers, etc., will reduce range

Indeed, I like the fact that the Cyberlandr respects the strengths of the Cybertruck design and doesn't add aerodynamic drag. But I am having trouble coming to terms with the small interior space. Even in an urban camping adventure I don't think it will be large enough to want to spend time in. And it must be setup and taken down before the vehicle is moved. Even with electric motors to deploy, there will be a lot of tasks to do to convert between a mobile vehicle and a camper and back again, before you can be mobile.

In the wide open spaces of the American West I think there are compelling advantages to sleeping outside, not in/on the vehicle. As long as you are camping reasonably close to the vehicle, a very comfortable "nest" can be provided. You don't have to use lightweight backpacking tents, mummy bags and thin pads, you can have something easier to setup and takedown, a bag that is roomy and soft, and a mattress that is thick enough to provide real comfort and warmth, even a cot if that's your thing.

If you wake up early and want to hit a hike, chances are you are not camped at the trailhead. You might want to drive a couple of miles or longer. You can just leave your tent/sleeping setup there to save your campsite, and hop in the truck. The Cyberlandr requires setup/takedown, packing away of sleeping and cooking stuff.

I think the Cyberlandr tries to do too much, tries to be too self-contained for practical reasons. What would be better is a much simplier setup that expands out the back, focused on creating a small dry area at the rear of the truck and slide-outs above the bed floor (with storage underneath). One slideout could have a countertop with sink, the other slidout could have food storage and fridge with additional countertop and cooktop. The canopy would keep everything dry and the whole works should be deployable in under a minute. There could be water storage built-into a tank that could also turn into a showering faucet. If privacy was needed it could be accomplished with existing stowable shower screens.

You can say "different strokes for different folks" but I see the size problem of the Cyberlandr leaving it as hopelessly impractical for any significant number of potential customers. Don't get me wrong, I think it would be really cool if the owners of the company prove me wrong. I'll be watching with an open mind, but that doesn't mean I'm not highly skeptical and give it less than a one percent change of making a viable business out of this concept, without completely changing the overall framework of the concept. It's too elaborate, too divided up and tries to do too much in too small of a space, even if perfectly designed and engineered.

To be clear, I'm not a huge fan of the Cybertent offered by Tesla either. It looks pretty nice actually, pretty well thought out, and I can see some benefit to it in limited use cases. It's main problem is that it's still a truck top tent. Truck top tents have gained a lot of popularity in the last decade or so, but I think it's the concept that is appealing, more so that the reality of it. It's mostly a flawed concept for some of the reasons I've already mentioned (and many others I haven't mentioned). It limits freedom to leave quickly. People think getting the tent off the ground solves potential problems with animals. That's just false. The best way to deal with animals is to contain the food in a secure but convenient area. Still, I rate the Cybertent as more practical than the Cyberlandr, at least conceptually as I have no experience with either, and the Cybertent will probably gain a small but loyal following. I thought it was a must-have for me, but only until I started running scenarios through my mind. Only in some cases would I want it.

Sometimes simpler is better, and this might not become apparent to some people until they have more experience actually camping. I have "overlanded" many thousands of miles before "overlanding" was even a word. KISS. Set up a real campsite or just crash inside the truck or truck bed. All that complexity doesn't really buy anything real without coming with a host of disadvantages that might not make themselves apparent until the concept is put into use.

 

[Cybergirl]

Indeed, I like the fact that the Cyberlandr respects the strengths of the Cybertruck design and doesn't add aerodynamic drag. But I am having trouble coming to terms with the small interior space. Even in an urban camping adventure I don't think it will be large enough to want to spend time in. And it must be setup and taken down before the vehicle is moved. Even with electric motors to deploy, there will be a lot of tasks to do to convert between a mobile vehicle and a camper and back again, before you can be mobile.

In the wide open spaces of the American West I think there are compelling advantages to sleeping outside, not in/on the vehicle. As long as you are camping reasonably close to the vehicle, a very comfortable "nest" can be provided. You don't have to use lightweight backpacking tents, mummy bags and thin pads, you can have something easier to setup and takedown, a bag that is roomy and soft, and a mattress that is thick enough to provide real comfort and warmth, even a cot if that's your thing.

If you wake up early and want to hit a hike, chances are you are not camped at the trailhead. You might want to drive a couple of miles or longer. You can just leave your tent/sleeping setup there to save your campsite, and hop in the truck. The Cyberlandr requires setup/takedown, packing away of sleeping and cooking stuff.

I think the Cyberlandr tries to do too much, tries to be too self-contained for practical reasons. What would be better is a much simplier setup that expands out the back, focused on creating a small dry area at the rear of the truck and slide-outs above the bed floor (with storage underneath). One slideout could have a countertop with sink, the other slidout could have food storage and fridge with additional countertop and cooktop. The canopy would keep everything dry and the whole works should be deployable in under a minute. There could be water storage built-into a tank that could also turn into a showering faucet. If privacy was needed it could be accomplished with existing stowable shower screens.

You can say "different strokes for different folks" but I see the size problem of the Cyberlandr leaving it as hopelessly impractical for any significant number of potential customers. Don't get me wrong, I think it would be really cool if the owners of the company prove me wrong. I'll be watching with an open mind, but that doesn't mean I'm not highly skeptical and give it less than a one percent change of making a viable business out of this concept, without completely changing the overall framework of the concept. It's too elaborate, too divided up and tries to do too much in too small of a space, even if perfectly designed and engineered.

To be clear, I'm not a huge fan of the Cybertent offered by Tesla either. It looks pretty nice actually, pretty well thought out, and I can see some benefit to it in limited use cases. It's main problem is that it's still a truck top tent. Truck top tents have gained a lot of popularity in the last decade or so, but I think it's the concept that is appealing, more so that the reality of it. It's mostly a flawed concept for some of the reasons I've already mentioned (and many others I haven't mentioned). It limits freedom to leave quickly. People think getting the tent off the ground solves potential problems with animals. That's just false. The best way to deal with animals is to contain the food in a secure but convenient area. Still, I rate the Cybertent as more practical than the Cyberlandr, at least conceptually as I have no experience with either, and the Cybertent will probably gain a small but loyal following. I thought it was a must-have for me, but only until I started running scenarios through my mind. Only in some cases would I want it.

Sometimes simpler is better, and this might not become apparent to some people until they have more experience actually camping. I have "overlanded" many thousands of miles before "overlanding" was even a word. KISS. Set up a real campsite or just crash inside the truck or truck bed. All that complexity doesn't really buy anything real without coming with a host of disadvantages that might not make themselves apparent until the concept is put into use.

You make a lot sense. I've done tons of tent and RV camping. I love to travel the country, but prefer not to stay a hotels/motels and commercial RV parks. The typical Class A, B or C motor home has its advantages, but are not the best traveling vehicles, imo. They're expensive to operate, difficult to park, require reservations at commercial or state park campgrounds that are often filled up for weeks in advance. Cyberlandr will circumvent those negatives.

Personally, I wouldn't be disappointed if Cyberlandr turns out to be less than their ambitious concept model envisioned. Setting the bar low will never produce great results. Over promise and under deliver has it's good points.

Cyberlandr is not a substitute for a full-timing motor home. I don't expect it to be. What I want is a compact travel vehicle capable of going anywhere -- urban settings and trail wilderness. I want a vehicle that I can pull over anywhere, deploy the module, prepare a lunch, take a nap when sleepy, and do it all in relative safety. I had that in my Sprinter conversion, but it got 20 mpg on diesel, needed 9-1/2' overhead clearance, was buffeted by strong wind, was noisy, and drove like a truck.

The Cybertruck/Cyberlandr will work perfectly for my purposes. It addresses some of the disadvantages of an RV. Setting it up and taking it down doesn't have to be a big production. It needs to provide enough space to get out of the weather, to prepare a lunch or simple dinner, and to sleep in comfort at a rest area or Walmart parking lot. A dedicated toilet and shower would be nice but not essential, but I do want large dimmable windows, security cameras, and Starlink internet.

It needs to have high ground clearance for off road adventures, and be able to maneuver on tight, overgrown trails. I want to park it in parking garages, a standard parking space, and my garage at home. It needs to be stealthy when stealth is necessary.

I don't know if Cyberlandr will ever go into production. Production is hell as one wise man has repeated claimed. But until it proven otherwise, I will hold out for one of the first Cyberlandrs to hit the market.

 

[JBee]

The Space Campers is a good 3-season tent camper design. I like how it looks on the CT, as well. I wouldn't mind having one while waiting for my Cyberlandr.

Wouldn't be hard to make it 4 season insulated and hardwalled. Heaps more space though.

Also will fit in any garage you can walk in.

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