Used preowned Cybertruck flip on Cargurus for $250K !

[Woodrick]

I'd like to think they won't take it out on the new owner, but until it gets tested we won't know how they address it.

The new owners know that they bought a "scalped item" (they paid a premium for it) They are more guilty in the scheme than anyone else.

I'm sure that Tesla isn't going to penalize standard sales, just those that are at higher prices than what the vehicle originally sold for.

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[CyberGus]

trying to put such severe limits on an individual's private property is just wild.

You've clearly never lived within an HOA

 

[SolarWizard]

theres already been trucks flipped.
can not stop a business from selling all or portions of itself and if that business has cybertrucks well thats just a big oopsie.

The amount of crusading that goes on in here on this topic is hilarious

 

[HaulingAss]

I loathe scalpers as much as anyone, but can't agree with you here. This is a material item, not tickets to a concert or membership to some club. There's a title and a legal basis of ownership.

Letting companies decide when we do and do not actually have ownership rights is dumb. It will be abused, and when this goes to court - no matter the legal outcome, private individuals will lose.

Your comment falls right in line with the notion "You'll own nothing and you'll be happy ".

Things can have titles and those titles can have conditions attached. You can own your 20 acres of land in the country but not be allowed to build a skyscraper on it. That doesn't mean you don't own the land, it means the land comes with encumbrances. If you don't want something that comes with encumbrances, then don't buy something that comes with encumbrances.

I mean, this is so simple a 2nd grader could understand it. Courts have upheld sales of cars with encumbrances consistently, as long as those encumbrances are clearly disclosed, and the buyer is not buying under duress or coercion. The Purchase and Sale Agreement is a contract between consenting adults and the law allows consenting adults wide latitude to come to the terms of agreement. Minors cannot enter into legal contracts or purchase vehicles; adults can enter into contracts involving encumbrances. If you don't want encumbrances, don't sign the agreement.

Duh! People who find this repugnant have a kindergartener's understanding of the power of purchase and sale contracts. They seem to think the only type of purchase and sale agreement that is legal is one without encumbrances or conditions. It's an overly simplistic view of contract law that is supported by absolutely nothing.

I don't think a valid defense of breaking the "no resale" clause would be that Tesla had created such a desirable product that the purchased was under duress. That's not going to work because the law assumes that adults have reason, and that any lack of control over an individual's wants and desires is a personal flaw, your own damn fault. The law assumes adults are responsible and capable of making decisions on their own behalf. As long as the "no resale" clause is properly disclosed, the law does not take issue with it, contrary to the few know-nothings that are spouting nonsense and trying to drum up fake rage against Tesla.

 

[cyberme207]

Tesla can sue owners for $50k OR the profit gained from any sale, whichever is greater.

That needs to be tested in court

This has been tested in court many times, the purchase agreement is iron clad. It's not a brand new concept. It's a standard agreement based on past court decisions and precedent.

 

[wtibbit]

Forum lawyers = Barracks lawyers (unless they are a member of the bar...)

 

[Armyintel96b]

Honestly, I'm not sure why anyone here cares. You have a place in line for an agreed upon price. If someone sells their CT to someone else for a profit, how does that impact any of us in line? It doesn't. If someone can afford the markup on a "scalped" CT good for them and their bad financial decisions. Unlike scalpers who can buy all the concert tickets, people can't buy up all available CT and sell them at a higher price. There is a queue and you are safely in line at your agreed upon price. Let the scalpers scalp. IT DOESN'T AFFECT YOU!

 

[Carmino]

So you are ok going into an agreement, signing a document saying you cannot sell the vehicle you are buying, and call that outrageous? What’s outrageous is someone not honoring their obligations. No one is forcing you to buy it.

What? I already have repeatedly said I have no problem with the non-resale clause as is. My problem was the proposition of bricking someone's Cybertruck...

 

[sylvius]

Honestly, I'm not sure why anyone here cares. You have a place in line for an agreed upon price. If someone sells their CT to someone else for a profit, how does that impact any of us in line? It doesn't. If someone can afford the markup on a "scalped" CT good for them and their bad financial decisions. Unlike scalpers who can buy all the concert tickets, people can't buy up all available CT and sell them at a higher price. There is a queue and you are safely in line at your agreed upon price. Let the scalpers scalp. IT DOESN'T AFFECT YOU!

If what you were saying is true, I would have been able to get Taylor Swift tickets for my daughters. While a bunch of us have a place in line, if people ahead of us in line are buying not to use but to resell to people behind us in line how in the world do you conclude that it doesn't impact us? If there is no resale, then a reseller ahead of me in line won't buy and I will get my truck sooner. If there is resale, then resellers ahead of me in line will buy and it will delay my truck delivery. Hence, it impacts me.

 

[TwilightHan]

What? I already have repeatedly said I have no problem with the non-resale clause as is. My problem was the proposition of bricking someone's Cybertruck...

Yes. I'm sorry. I initially didn't see that you were referring to the Bricking comment specifically. Bricking someone's vehicle is ridiculous, and how does a company pre-brick it before it's sold.

For the other person's comments, Once it's sold, and then a company figures out it's been so and then they brick it? The issue is between the new buyer and the company. Anyway, it's a ludicrous situation and most likely would never be done unless the agreement clearly calls it out for not paying for the vehicle, like a repossession situation.

 

[Armyintel96b]

If what you were saying is true, I would have been able to get Taylor Swift tickets for my daughters. While a bunch of us have a place in line, if people ahead of us in line are buying not to use but to resell to people behind us in line how in the world do you conclude that it doesn't impact us? If there is no resale, then a reseller ahead of me in line won't buy and I will get my truck sooner. If there is resale, then resellers ahead of me in line will buy and it will delay my truck delivery. Hence, it impacts me.

I'm sorry but your assessment is not accurate. Scalpers can buy up all the concert tickets hence they can control the price of those tickets. People cannot buy up all the cybertrucks and determine what the price is going to be. Someone buying the truck with the intent of reselling it does not impact your place in line. It does not change the price of the truck and it does not change the date of which you will get a truck. Which means if they resell a truck it has zero impact on you.

 

[agordon117]

I'm sorry but your assessment is not accurate. Scalpers can buy up all the concert tickets hence they can control the price of those tickets. People cannot buy up all the cybertrucks and determine what the price is going to be. Someone buying the truck with the intent of reselling it does not impact your place in line. It does not change the price of the truck and it does not change the date of which you will get a truck. Which means if they resell a truck it has zero impact on you.

I'm not sure which part of this is hard to understand. If the lowlifes who took delivery of this truck with zero intent to drive it for the next year or even keep it at all just passed instead... All of us who genuinely want the truck and aren't trying to make a quick buck would effectively be further up the queue.

The fact that small numbers of people aren't buying the entire supply isn't relevant to the discussion at all.

 

[HaulingAss]

I'm sorry but your assessment is not accurate. Scalpers can buy up all the concert tickets hence they can control the price of those tickets. People cannot buy up all the cybertrucks and determine what the price is going to be. Someone buying the truck with the intent of reselling it does not impact your place in line. It does not change the price of the truck and it does not change the date of which you will get a truck. Which means if they resell a truck it has zero impact on you.

Your claims are obviously false for all the reasons already presented. Saying the same thing multiple times does not make it true.

 

[Cybertruck2024]

I imagine the number of people actually flipping vehicles is so small, it has no real impact on availability. Yes it happens, but how often? I'd love to see a figure, I'm genuinely curious. If you're talking a hand made vehicle with a production run of less than 1,000, I'm sure it makes sense there. For something that is mass produced in the tens of thousands, flipping just doesn't make sense (post-pandemic).

This is a bit different when dealers are involved. I know that dealerships of basically every brand have purchased "employee vehicles," "loaners," etc. and then put them out of sight for the 6-12 month no sale period. Once the vehicle is able to be sold, it goes on the floor with a big markup. Dealers do this with the in demand models of their brand and make a killing. Since we're insulated from these practices with Tesla, the amount of flippers has to be quite low.

 

[Armyintel96b]

Your claims are obviously false for all the reasons already presented. Saying the same thing multiple times does not make it true.

The number of times this has actually happened are so minuscule we can't even find a single confirmed case of it actually happening. I don't think even if there were 10 confirmed cases it would be enough to impact or delay you receiving a CT. Maybe 100 cases...maybe.

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