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This gives me some hope. So your friend received his VIN for a Cyberbeast? I think this is the first time I read something about a Cyberbeast VIN being assigned to a regular person. Is your friend also in California? I read also that you canceled your order. I hope I get that Cyberbeast VIN soon, and since I am also in Poway, I will reach out when that happens ?
As much as I would love for this to be legitimate, chances are this is either a VIP-type or they otherwise have someone close to them that has connections at Tesla.

Bottom line: don’t get your hopes up as these types of posts (hearsay) can’t backup what they say with any kind of evidence to support it.
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Anyone know when the second manufacturing line starts?
there is no “second” line

there’s the GFTX line

its line capacity for 2024 is 125K units / yr

It can be optimized/expanded, apparently, to 250k / yr - which according to Q3 call Musk predicts will be realized sometime in 2025 (adjust how you see fit Musk’s timing predictions)


beyond that 250k, if/when needed, likely requires the install of additional gigapresses for the castings (most optimistic estimates puts the existing presses max annual capacity at ~250K/yr)
 

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as of first of the month, VINs in the 21XXs were on the line

but without ability to check activated VINs, hard to say how many gaps exist prior to 21XX

can only bet that several hundred gaps exist for Beast series VINs
Gaps exist for unfinished series and for Cyberbeasts. When people see 2100 VIN's, they probably only have 1400 VINs utilized so far. Heck, my 125* VIN has a delivery tomorrow with a 1/17 VIN activation. Probably was right around the 500th activated VIN for FS AWD.
 
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Gaps exist for unfinished series and for Cyberbeasts. When people see 2100 VIN's, they probably only have 1400 VINs utilized so far. Heck, my 125* VIN has a delivery tomorrow with a 1/17 VIN activation. Probably was right around the 500th activated VIN for FS AWD.
im not sure what you mean by “unfinished series”

but in the main, the only gaps below 21XX at this point are for Cyberbeasts

there are otherwise 110 manufacturing confirmation units in there (800-910) and 20 non-FS showroom units (1200-1219)
 

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im not sure what you mean by “unfinished series”

but in the main, the only gaps below 21XX at this point are for Cyberbeasts

there are otherwise 110 manufacturing confirmation units in there (800-910) and 20 non-FS showroom units (1200-1219)
Unfinished series just means that they are working on 21** and 19** at the same time. Just because they are at 21**, there are AWD trucks still having VINs activated below that.
 


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Unfinished series just means that they are working on 21** and 19** at the same time. Just because they are at 21**, there are AWD trucks still having VINs activated below that.
generally not the case, as they’ll build AWDs in order of increasing VIN. If they skip forward, it’ll be because eg the skipped gap was eg, already built for another purpose (eg skipping over the previously built MC units at 800-910), or is reserved for another trim in the build plan (eg reserved for Beast VINs they haven’t arrived at).

If they skip backwards, it would indicate a later change in the build plan. Eg, they has previously reserved a block of Cyberbeasts, but then later have determined to build fewer beasts total in the build plan, and so now have reallocated those previous build VINs to instead AWD vins.


We haven’t seen any indication of that sort of change in the build plan prior to the VIN portal going dark, and AWDs were being completed largely in numerical order (a few exceptions where a previously allocated individual Beast VIN was one-off changed to an AWD VIN, but those sorts of one-off flips are going to be when eg a VIP allocated a Beast VIN ‘calls’ musk and says ‘I don’t want to wait for a beast, make mine an AWD instead and get it to me ASAP’).
 

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generally not the case, as they’ll build AWDs in order of increasing VIN. If they skip forward, it’ll be because eg the skipped gap was eg, already built for another purpose (eg skipping over the previously built MC units at 800-910), or is reserved for another trim in the build plan (eg reserved for Beast VINs they haven’t arrived at).
It seemed very common in the beginning when I was tracking AWD.

1229 - 1235 1/11
1236 - 1278 1/17
1279 - 1364 1/23

1054 - 1077 1/11
1078 - 1081 1/17
1082 - 1107 1/18
1108 - 1158 1/19
1159 - 1178 1/22
1179 - 1198 1/29
 
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It seemed very common in the beginning when I was tracking AWD.

1229 - 1235 1/11
1236 - 1278 1/17
1279 - 1364 1/23

1054 - 1077 1/11
1078 - 1081 1/17
1082 - 1107 1/18
1108 - 1158 1/19
1159 - 1178 1/22
1179 - 1198 1/29
fair enough - up in these ranges there was some apparent reconnoitering as they began expanding beyond the original 1,000FS build plan

At the same time, two other things possibly going on here:

(1) maybe a conflation here between when they’re activating VINs vs the order in which they’re building a series of VIN, and/or

(2) the weeks you’re citing above, our VIN tracking automation here was going through some transition and tweaking, so the dates that a range of VINs were *found* as activated by @newwave1331 or @bwilliam79 was sometimes choppy and not necessarily when Tesla was activating those VINs
 

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fair enough - up in these ranges there was some apparent reconnoitering as they began expanding beyond the original 1,000FS build plan

At the same time, two other things possibly going on here:

(1) maybe a conflation here between when they’re activating VINs vs the order in which they’re building a series of VIN, and/or

(2) the weeks you’re citing above, our VIN tracking automation here was going through some transition and tweaking, so the dates that a range of VINs were *found* as activated by @newwave1331 or @bwilliam79 was sometimes choppy and not necessarily when Tesla was activating those VINs
At some point doesn’t Tesla need to reactivate the VIN recall for CT? I’m sure they share that info for a reason.
 
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At some point doesn’t Tesla need to reactivate the VIN recall for CT? I’m sure they share that info for a reason.
yea, it’s bizarre

completely from the arm chair on this one, only thing I can imagine is that the same regulatory treatment of FS that at the moment is permitting of sales absent EPA finalization, etc., may similarly permit of sales absent VIN recall data

and that previously, Tesla was feeding the BIN recall data by habit despite requirement. Then for some reason (perhaps the increasing visibility of our VIN tracking across Xwitter etc.), Tesla decided ‘if we don’t have to show it yet let’s stop showing it’

but otherwise totally unclear to me why it stopped, only for CTs, for this long - as yes, at some point, they have to provide it
 


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yea, it’s bizarre

completely from the arm chair on this one, only thing I can imagine is that the same regulatory treatment of FS that at the moment is permitting of sales absent EPA finalization, etc., may similarly permit of sales absent VIN recall data

and that previously, Tesla was feeding the BIN recall data by habit despite requirement. Then for some reason (perhaps the increasing visibility of our VIN tracking across Xwitter etc.), Tesla decided ‘if we don’t have to show it yet let’s stop showing it’

but otherwise totally unclear to me why it stopped, only for CTs, for this long - as yes, at some point, they have to provide it
How does this work in the first place? It would be one thing if tesla was able to avoid inputting new vins into NHTSA, but now we can't even find vins that were activated pre-shut down. Does tesla send the vins to NHTSA? or does NHTSA hook up to tesla servers and tesla severed that link?

I was going to comment how it's so weird that we can't see those already activated vins, but I don't know how the whole process works, so it might not be "that" weird.
 
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How does this work in the first place? It would be one thing if tesla was able to avoid inputting new vins into NHTSA, but now we can't even find vins that were activated pre-shut down. Does tesla send the vins to NHTSA? or does NHTSA hook up to tesla servers and tesla severed that link?

I was going to comment how it's so weird that we can't see those already activated vins, but I don't know how the whole process works, so it might not be "that" weird.
apparently the NHTSA website is merely a “portal” that pulls from the Tesla-internal data stream. So if Resla turns off the main tap, neither the Tesla website faucet nor the NHTSA website faucet will flow

as for the embedded question, of why all and only CT VINs aren’t returning, no clue - only the obvious that Tesla has for some reason not turned off the main, but instead only the CT VINs
 

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I miss the life this thread once had...

I can confirm, no Beast VIN yet :cry:
Our beasts are gonna be awesome though with better quality and software than the beta versions they are putting out right now. Chin up little buddy ?
 

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Our beasts are gonna be awesome though with better quality and software than the beta versions they are putting out right now. Chin up little buddy ?
How did you know I was little?! Dad???? :LOL:
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