FSD Fail 💀 Almost Died

[igs]

Yes, you should intervene as soon as the vehicle is doing something you don't agree with. Preferably with the desired input (versus scroll wheel disengage followed by action).
Going too fast into an intersection? Hit the brake.
Drifting out of lane? Steer to the center.
Too slow on a left? Use the accelerator.

Yes, those are all failures.

They use disengagement data to make FSD better. A near collision without disengagement isn't helpful unless they are running a fleet data collection that triggered on the event.

That is the whole point of this thread.

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[igs]

If this particular intersection is unsafe unless you always come to a complete stop, then the signage is incorrect. Thus, even a human driver would likely make the same mistake.

See this post by cricket.

https://www.cybertruckownersclub.com/forum/threads/fsd-fail-💀-almost-died.34542/page-3#post-30476841

 

[igs]

Consider FSD (Supervised) to be a beta. You are merely a beta tester. Did you report the issue?

You are tiresome. None of your posts make sense because you post before reading the thread.

https://www.cybertruckownersclub.com/forum/threads/fsd-fail-💀-almost-died.34542/page-5#post-30477508

 

[cybercricket]

See this post by cricket.

https://www.cybertruckownersclub.com/forum/threads/fsd-fail-?-almost-died.34542/page-3#post-30476841

It's not uncommon for intersections to be poorly designed/equipped - civil engineers also make mistakes. On top of that any posted signage can be obstructed by vehicles, vegetation or can be damaged (drunk drivers, wind, etc).... which all leads to one major point: signage, especially something non-prescriptive like a Yield is there to warn you about the upcoming conditions, but ultimately the safe driving is ON YOU.

 

[igs]

Based on your responses, you should stop using FSD (Supervised) immediately before you kill someone. You clearly don't understand the risks and how it's supposed to be used.

I'm pretty sure I own more Teslas than you. I buy, not subscribe, FSD for all my Teslas. I use FSD every day. So if there is anyone that doesn't understand how it's used that would be you.

 

[sys700]

I'm pretty sure I own more Teslas than you. I buy, not subscribe, FSD for all my Teslas. I use FSD every day. So if there is anyone that doesn't understand how it's used that would be you.

That is a scary thought!

 

[cybercricket]

I'm pretty sure I own more Teslas than you. I buy, not subscribe, FSD for all my Teslas. I use FSD every day. So if there is anyone that doesn't understand how it's used that would be you.

That just means you have more money to spend than most people George Bush has two Ivy League degrees, including a graduate degree, most wouldn't put him in "incredibly smart" bucket nonetheless.

 

[CyberGus]

See this post by cricket.

https://www.cybertruckownersclub.com/forum/threads/fsd-fail-?-almost-died.34542/page-3#post-30476841

Again, I disagree. If a stop is required, then it should have a stop sign. ?

Here's a similar intersection in North Austin:

Drivers turning right have no merge lane, and must yield. Somehow, we manage without dying.

As a human driver, I would deduce that the red light for my direction of travel (as seen above) means that there is likely cross-traffic, and thus I should slow (or stop as needed) to verify the way is clear. If the above light is green, then I should be good to go, since there cannot be any cross-traffic.

Not sure how FSD would handle this in all situations. I still agree that FSD was wrong in your case; even if the map data incorrectly indicated an exclusive merge-lane, the computer should have predicted that the two vehicles were on an intercept.

However, the assertion that "yield really means stop" is BS.

 

[Deleted member 8313]

yeah, too many assumptions to be made with the limited clip and perspective, however, FSD Supervised is AWESOME!!

Yes. As long as you are paying attention to your surroundings. Like being a good defense driver. Having your hands on the wheel and able to take control of FSD at a moments notice. Other than that it works flawlessly.

 

[cybercricket]

Again, I disagree. If a stop is required, then it should have a stop sign. ?

Here's a similar intersection in North Austin:

Drivers turning right have no merge lane, and must yield. Somehow, we manage without dying.

As a human driver, I would deduce that the red light for my direction of travel (as seen above) means that there is likely cross-traffic, and thus I should slow (or stop as needed) to verify the way is clear. If the above light is green, then I should be good to go, since there cannot be any cross-traffic.

Not sure how FSD would handle this in all situations. I still agree that FSD was wrong in your case; even if the map data incorrectly indicated an exclusive merge-lane, the computer should have predicted that the two vehicles were on an intercept.

However, the assertion that "yield really means stop" is BS.

I will play... let's actually take the Stop sign as an analogy. If you stopped at a Stop sign, are you allowed to proceed into the intersection ?

 

[igs]

but ultimately the safe driving is ON YOU.

Why do you keep conflating a failure of FSD with the responsibility of outcome? No one is blaming anyone here. No claim is being filed. No one suing Tesla. No one is disputing driver is always responsible when using FSD.

 

[cybercricket]

Why do you keep conflating a failure of FSD with the responsibility of outcome? No one is blaming anyone here. No claim is being filed. No one suing Tesla. No one is disputing driver is always responsible when using FSD.

You keep insisting there was a failure, and I keep asking for proof it didn't perform as designed/trained/advertised.

 

[igs]

You keep insisting there was a failure, and I keep asking for proof it didn't perform as designed/trained/advertised.

That has nothing to do with blame either. You are just grasping at straws to try and start an argument. But here you go:

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When Full Self-Driving (Supervised) (also referred to as Autosteer on City Streets) is engaged, Cybertruck attempts to drive to your destination by following curves in the road, stopping at and negotiating intersections, making left and right turns, navigating roundabouts, and entering/exiting highways.

Full Self-Driving (Supervised) is meant to work in a variety of driving scenarios. You can use Full Self-Driving (Supervised) on any type of roadway, including residential and city streets.
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https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/cybertruck/en_us/GUID-2CB60804-9CEA-4F4B-8B04-09B991368DC5.html

 

[dalton108]

"if" there is traffic. How would I know there is traffic before I got to the intersection? Basically you're saying stop (turn off FSD) before the intersection, which again defeats the point of FSD.

Oh, I can answer that question. The way you would know it, at this particular location, is by looking to your left and seeing what’s going on at the traffic light as you’re coming down the exit ramp. It literally is the only way that you can safely navigate this. Again it’s total chaos here so this is not the place to see if FSD is ready to be an autonomous Robo taxi. We already know the answer, it’s not.

Someone responded earlier talking about how they look far ahead as they’re driving to see what hazards might be coming up. That’s how I was taught to drive by my dad and I think that’s the way that anybody who is actually a good driver manages the process. I am always looking out as far as I possibly can in every direction to see if something’s coming my way that I need to deal with.

 

[cybercricket]

That has nothing to do with blame either. You are just grasping at straws to try and start an argument. But here you go:

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When Full Self-Driving (Supervised) (also referred to as Autosteer on City Streets) is engaged, Cybertruck attempts to drive to your destination by following curves in the road, stopping at and negotiating intersections, making left and right turns, navigating roundabouts, and entering/exiting highways.

Full Self-Driving (Supervised) is meant to work in a variety of driving scenarios. You can use Full Self-Driving (Supervised) on any type of roadway, including residential and city streets.
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https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/cybertruck/en_us/GUID-2CB60804-9CEA-4F4B-8B04-09B991368DC5.html

Yes, you're cherry-picking the sentences to support your point and ignore a lot of other language there. If you can, think about it this way: you and I are two random persons arguing on the Internet and being unable to agree... Tesla has to be able to defend all of the language regarding FSD in court, in cases where human fatalities may be involved. Do you think there are ANY gaps left there for misinterpretation by an AVERAGE person ? I don't even need to fish out the specific language to be correct on this.

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