Cybertruck will be the last Tesla to use stainless steel exoskeleton

[cybercricket]

Ford offered that so they could claim the highest payload in the industry, almost certainly as a response to the threat posed by the Cybertruck. The fact that they don't offer it anymore shows how little demand there was for it.

Little demand in the presence of larger trucks that can do the same and more. Tesla doesn't offer a larger truck. Tesla offers two trucks with excessive amount of power that can't be used for anything practical. They've done the difficult part, but wouldn't do the easy part to actually monetize on it ?

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[devdrone6]

I think they’ll be moving toward whatever variety of carbon fiber/composite they’re using in robotaxi.

I also don’t think they’ll ever sell anywhere near 130k CTs/yr, at any price. I know others strongly disagree. We shall see.

Also, torquenews is just the worst!

I would agree with this - CT is going to be produced several years before a smaller version is made. That will be the mass production/sale item, just like the Y and 3 are compared to X and S.

The CT tech will move forward but not the vehicle as it is now.

 

[Crissa]

Are they still around? I remember them from 2008 when it was supposed to have a small motor that got good mileage. They reinvented themselves to be electric but still had the same body.

The body is pretty different.

Anyhow, I hope they make it. Getting to five thousand units (about where I sit in the original queue) seems so remote.

But sitting in Gamma made me feel like I was back in my first car with the same excitement yet modern parts.

Anyhow, the question of 'what future vehicle could be more advantaged by the stainless technology from the Cybertruck' is an interesting question. But none of their current crop of vehicles really need to be stiffer or would gain sales from the divisive look.

-Crissa

 

[CyberGus]

Let's be honest, how much did SS add to the CT? I bet it will sell just as well without it or with thinner SS. That would have saved a ton of $$$ and a ton of weight.

But, I’ll tell you this if somebody ever comes up with a carbon fiber complete skin replacement I’m doing it. I think Shaq did that, but I’m gonna need it to come down a little bit in price and not be a fully custom job. Cannot imagine the speed or range without carrying two or three refrigerators around with me.

While swapping the stainless for a composite material is an intriguing idea, it wouldn't save much weight. Stainless steel at 2mm thickness weighs a little over 3lbs per square foot.

And of course, the lack of HFS would necessitate additional structural reinforcement in the doors, etc.

 

[HaulingAss]

You suggest that Ford introduced heavy payload/tow packages for the ICE F-150 "as a response to the threat posed by the Cybertruck." Based on that logic, the withdrawal of those packages could simply show that Ford no longer feels threatened.

During the 2019 Cybertruck reveal, Tesla announced a 14,000 lb. tow rating. When they released the Cybertruck with an 11,000 lb. tow rating, Ford quickly dropped the heavy-duty tow packages. I think it was pretty obvious that the whole purpose of the 14,000 lb. tow rating was so Ford could still say they had the "highest towing and payload capacities" in the 1/2-ton segment.

 

[charliemagpie]

The Model Y is made in four factories, but the Cybertruck (CT) is only made in one, and it's not in full production yet, just available on one continent.

If the Cybertruck were made in larger numbers and cheaper, I think they could sell more than 250,000 units worldwide each year.

 

[HaulingAss]

Little demand in the presence of larger trucks that can do the same and more. Tesla doesn't offer a larger truck. Tesla offers two trucks with excessive amount of power that can't be used for anything practical. They've done the difficult part, but wouldn't do the easy part to actually monetize on it ?

It looks like you have been fooled by the Tesla detractors. Do you really believe the Cybertruck can't do anything useful? Or are you just trying to throw shade?

By the way, 1/2-ton pickup truck sales volumes far exceed that of 3/4-ton and 1-ton (F-250 and F-350) combined by a huge margin.

Tesla has never tried to be all things to all potential customers, they are trying to accelerate the transition to sustainability by hitting the largest market segments. And they are doing a great job at that, no one else comes close. Considering they only have about 4% of the light vehicle market, there are still a lot of easy pickings before they have to start solving niche edge cases like heavier duty trucks.

Of course, their Semi Truck is going out of pilot production and into mass production this year at their new factory in Nevada that is nearing completion. Tesla is after volume above breadth. That's how you change the world, the niche uses will follow. It wouldn't surprise me if Tesla leaves the scraps for competitors to pick up. It might just help keep marginal manufacturers in business.

 

[REM]

Sorry, I made some major updates and additions above just FYI.

Agree with parts of your reply, but I'll highlight the parts that are an opinion and debateable:

My friend, I trust that you know that there’s a chasm between agnostic and what we’re seeing here.

But here’s the deal, it’s a free country he can be and do whatever he wants to. People will have opinions about that. Some people will vote with their wallets about that. We’re starting to see that show up in the numbers it will accelerate. The audience that he wants to address in this nation, outside of a few of you here, don’t want what he’s selling and never will.

His natural constituency - the ones who brung him to the dance, don’t want what he’s becoming and therefore don’t want what he’s selling either.

The good news for Tesla is that he doesn’t give a shit about either group any longer. China is Tesla’s future so in the words of the man himself - let that sink in!

 

[REM]

That is the very definition of Elon, lol

No, it's definitely not. Absurd.

Yes-men are not leaders.

 

[YDR37]

The Model Y is made in four factories, but the Cybertruck (CT) is only made in one, and it's not in full production yet, just available on one continent.

If the Cybertruck were made in larger numbers and cheaper, I think they could sell more than 250,000 units worldwide each year.

The other large Teslas (Model S and Model X) are also made in only one factory (Fremont), and they are exported from North America to Asia and Europe. in theory, Tesla could do the same thing with the Cybertruck. As of now, however, there are no clear signs that Tesla is preparing to offer the CT outside of North America. They aren't taking CT pre-orders from Asia or Europe, for example.

The conventional wisdom holds that there isn't much demand for large pickups in China or Western Europe, which are Tesla's biggest overseas markets. Pickups are more popular in Australia, New Zealand, and the Middle East, but those are smaller markets. Of course, the conventional wisdom could be wrong.

 

[Deleted member 22486]

No, it's definitely not. Absurd.

Yes-men are not leaders.

Yea- it’s about him not being a “yes man” and not saying batshit things or just being cruel.
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[cybercricket]

It looks like you have been fooled by the Tesla detractors. Do you really believe the Cybertruck can't do anything useful? Or are you just trying to throw shade?

By the way, 1/2-ton pickup truck sales volumes far exceed that of 3/4-ton and 1-ton (F-250 and F-350) combined by a huge margin.

Tesla has never tried to be all things to all potential customers, they are trying to accelerate the transition to sustainability by hitting the largest market segments. And they are doing a great job at that, no one else comes close. Considering they only have about 4% of the light vehicle market, there are still a lot of easy pickings before they have to start solving niche edge cases like heavier duty trucks.

Of course, their Semi Truck is going out of pilot production and into mass production this year at their new factory in Nevada that is nearing completion. Tesla is after volume above breadth. That's how you change the world, the niche uses will follow. It wouldn't surprise me if Tesla leaves the scraps for competitors to pick up. It might just help keep marginal manufacturers in business.

F150 with 3.5L V6 will tow 13,500lb. That engine is spec'ed at 400HP. What utility does dual motor CT deliver with the additional 200HP it has over F150 in this example ? What utility does triple motor CT deliver with its additional 445HP over that F150 ?

In fact, what utility do you get for buying triple motor CT for 20 grand extra that you won't have with the dual motor one ?

 

[HaulingAss]

Ford supposedly shaved 700 pounds from the F-150 by switching from a conventional steel body to an aluminum body. Did not hurt sales.

There's a big difference between removing body weight on an F-150 (vs. a Cybertruck) because all those steel panels were just dead weight, they did nothing for the structural integrity or the driving dynamics of the chassis. The cab and bed are just bolted on top of the frame, like more cargo. The Cybertruck is designed as a cohesive whole. The load in the bed is transfered through the outer skin, make it out of a less strong material and you make it weaker and degrade the driving dynamics. Make an F-150 body and bed out of a lighter material and you reduce the load on the chassis and improve the driving dynamics.

Two completely different things.

 

[HaulingAss]

F150 with 3.5L V6 will tow 13,500lb. That engine is spec'ed at 400HP. What utility does dual motor CT deliver with the additional 200HP it has over F150 in this example ? What utility does triple motor CT deliver with its additional 445HP over that F150 ?

With a truck it's about torque, not so much horsepower. Maybe you've never towed a trailer over 10,000 lbs?

Witth an electric truck the extra torque and horsepower comes without the same kind of downside you would see if you put a 1000 hp engine in it. It would guzzle gas like no tomorrow, even when idling.

I get the feeling you are arguing just for the sake of arguing that Tesla sucks. I mean, people love the extra power of a Tesla compared to comparable gas vehicles, that's a large part of what drove them to the top of automotive sales with the Model Y. No other vehicle sells in higher numbers, not even a cheap Toyota. People pay for the extra power without the inefficiency that would cost in an ICE vehicle. Don't you enjoy driving?

 

[dalton108]

Agree with parts of your reply, but I'll highlight the parts that are an opinion and debateable:

Yep all of that is opinion. There are in fact reports that that’s starting to show up in the numbers but totally debatable eye of the beholder who’s asking the question all of the stuff.

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