FSD 14 release next month will start nagging much less - says Musk

[Jhodgesatmb]

I’m not holding my breath. Not only is Elon notoriously bad at this kind of thing (and tends to address his timing to the Illuminati) but the Cybertruck FSD update is already 5 months tardy. That said, I’ll be as happy as anyone if it happens.

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[PungoteagueDave]

complete opposite. Elon doesn't promise anything, he predicts and in most cases Tesla delivers more than most people should expect.

If you are displeased with the progress of FSD, then perhaps you should go try SuperCruise, or Bluecruise, RAP, etc.

I proved REM incorrect in this statement multiple times, with specific links and concrete evidence. He was so butt-hurt that he banned me, and continues to live in his Elon-does-no-wrong bubble. It's sad when fanbois finally become disillusioned, because they often turn on a dime and become over-the-top critics. Better to stay centered, live in the real world. Eleon is truly amazing and world-changing, but he makes lots of promises that aren't kept, and exposes himself and his companies to legal liability on a regular basis. This isn't opinion and even he would agree.

I am reminded of the old truism that there are no ends to which people will go to in order to maintain the coherence of their current belief system, irrespective of the amount of contrary evidence that they are exposed to, because that information triggers cognitive dissonance. Humans cannot live with cognitive dissonance and must always at least attempt to reconcile the irreconcilable – reinforcing their narrative. Paradoxically, when exposed to contrary information, it only solidifies their current position. REM is Exhibit A for this phenoenon.

 

[SCTesla]

I proved REM incorrect in this statement multiple times, with specific links and concrete evidence. He was so butt-hurt that he banned me, and continues to live in his Elon-does-no-wrong bubble, It's sad when fanbois finally become disillusioned, because then they turn on a dime and become over-the-top critics. Better to stay centered, live in the real world.

I am reminded of the old truism that there are no ends to which people will go to in order to maintain the coherence of their current belief system, irrespective of the amount of contrary evidence that they are exposed to, because that information triggers cognitive dissonance. Humans cannot live with cognitive dissonance and must always at least attempt to reconcile the irreconcilable – reinforcing their narrative. Paradoxically, when exposed to contrary information, it only solidifies their current position. REM is Exhibit A for this phenoenon.

He blocked me as well!

 

[PungoteagueDave]

Ok then. We welcome your tailored predictions.

Tell us, if Elon misses the mark on 6 weeks for FSD 14, can you give us a technical breakdown as to why? Don't forget to include the extreme regulatory red tape hurdles that keep getting tossed in at the last minute before a new rollout.

Looking forward to your analysis.

There are no regulatory red tape hurdles. None. Not one. There are no Federal regs impacting FSD. That's a standard Elon red herring. You keep saying this. It is a lie. Provide links.

 

[PungoteagueDave]

Grok isn’t anything special in my experience. Sometimes it’s good, other times it gives some pretty stupid answers. Nothing it says can be cited as a source yet.

It doesn’t come down to the hardware, it comes down to efficient inference compute. CT has its own FSD stack due to being a larger vehicle with more tech like SBW/4WS. It’s its own animal, and it will take a while for it to catch up. If you don’t use it because it annoys you, you’re delaying unsupervised FSD for the rest of us. That’s your right and all, but quit whining about it to those of us putting in the time.

The CT restricts ITSELF from learning - about 75% of my CT driving is while towing, maybe more. FSD does not work at all during towing. This is also a key fail in Tesla's decision to never provide AP for our vehicles - I have only TACC while driving my CT most of the time, and apparently never will have any basic self-steering functionality, much less FSD, due to actually using the CT for its truck capabilities. Why so much towing? We have homes in south Florida (Boynton Beach), Virginia (Pungoteague), Maryland (annapolis), and upstate NY (Lake George), and tow boats & jet skis north and south every six months, so the majority of miles driven with the truck are highway towing. Just last week we towed from Maryland to the lake - the truck did great, with only three charges, BUT zero advanced driving features. This is a real disappointment , as these WERE promised IN WRITING (pay attention REM), and will never happen on my truck.

 

[PungoteagueDave]

How can the Toyota have less nags than zero? You are not paying attention to this discussion because those of us who use FSD safely, as intended, don't get any nags. You should try it sometime.

As soon as it's unassisted, there will be no nags, even if you stop paying attention. We are getting very close to that point. And Toyota will still be an ADAS with nags, requiring the driver to pay attention.

Complete rot. You can be driving perfectly safely, eyes attentive, and get nags. Plenty of nags. In fact the Tesla FSD system is sometimes self-defeating - it will give you a strike for NOT looking away from the road to see its blue warning flash despite paying attention. It is inconsistent in how it decides to apply the warning - and MAKES you look away to see the warning. My wife's FSD is slightly better in this respect (Juniper MY) because we installed the S3XY button feature that flashes the car's ambient LED strips, so get a bit more warning when it is being snippy.

 

[Sjohnson20]

Complete rot. You can be driving perfectly safely, eyes attentive, and get nags. Plenty of nags. In fact the Tesla FSD system is sometimes self-defeating - it will give you a strike for NOT looking away from the road to see its blue warning flash despite paying attention. It is inconsistent in how it decides to apply the warning - and MAKES you look away to see the warning. My wife's FSD is slightly better in this respect (Juniper MY) because we installed the S3XY button feature that flashes the car's ambient LED strips, so get a bit more warning when it is being snippy.

huh I get no nags on the truck unless I start touching the screen. Or I pick up the phone and look at it.

I just got a juniper and its about the same.

 

[BigHank7777]

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Which Toyota has it? I would like to see it myself. My son-in-law works at a Toyota dealership, so I'll see if I can arrange a test drive.

This whole thing is about saving lives. Remember, we still lose over 35,000 people in auto accidents each year in the US. Every advancement changes that total, no matter who makes it. We are all on the same side.

 

[HaulingAss]

Complete rot. You can be driving perfectly safely, eyes attentive, and get nags. Plenty of nags. In fact the Tesla FSD system is sometimes self-defeating - it will give you a strike for NOT looking away from the road to see its blue warning flash despite paying attention.

I don't get nags when I'm attentive, only if I stop paying attention. I'm not sure what you're doing wrong because the system is pretty easy to use correctly.

 

[REM]

I don't get nags when I'm attentive, only if I stop paying attention. I'm not sure what you're doing wrong because the system is pretty easy to use correctly.

blocked that dude a long time ago for being a liar. I've been using autopilot since inception, and way before FSD. never once received a strike.

He's playing on his phone and lying about it.

 

[REM]

The CT restricts ITSELF from learning - about 75% of my CT driving is while towing, maybe more. FSD does not work at all during towing.

You are too ignorant to understand that FSD is able to learn for the fleet even when it's not directly engaged on your vehicle.

This is also a key fail in Tesla's decision to never provide AP for our vehicles - I have only TACC while driving my CT most of the time, and apparently never will have any basic self-steering functionality, much less FSD, due to actually using the CT for its truck capabilities.

it has already been explained to you multiple times that Autopilot is a separate branch, and doesn't help the devs speed up the refinement of the FSD program. You would know this already if you would remove your head from your rear-end.

Why so much towing? We have homes in south Florida (Boynton Beach), Virginia (Pungoteague), Maryland (annapolis), and upstate NY (Lake George), and tow boats & jet skis north and south every six months, so the majority of miles driven with the truck are highway towing.

Oh, you poor thing. Having to drive all those luxuries around manually, with your hands. Such a shame that a few months in time, you aren't able to tow a wide variety of things behind a brand new platform that is still in development for autonomy. You should write your senator.

Just last week we towed from Maryland to the lake - the truck did great, with only three charges, BUT zero advanced driving features. This is a real disappointment , as these WERE promised IN WRITING (pay attention REM), and will never happen on my truck.

I have already corrected the record with this FUDster several times, on differing topics as well. You weren't promised a single thing, especially not in writing. You are a liar, and I have no idea why you are clogging up this forum.

 

[PungoteagueDave]

blocked that dude a long time ago for being a liar. I've been using autopilot since inception, and way before FSD. never once received a strike.

He's playing on his phone and lying about it.

bull. I've never lost FSD. Back at ya on the liar thing. You are so obtuse you don't even know when you are telling the truth. I challenge you or anyone else to document even one time that I shaded truth, much less lied. Just one link.

I have been one of Tesla's biggest supporters, and remain so - but I am also real. I have assisted Tesla and it executive team in person to accomplish a number of key objectives, including breaking down the barriers in two states where I was able to schedule and accompany them to meetings with legislators - in teh process we overcome the old boy auto dealership resistance to opening sales showrooms.

I had one of the first MS in 2012, have owned multiple Teslas over 13 years, was an early shareholder, which provides credentials that REM cannot overcome - so he is forced to maintain face through personal attacks. I apparently have an apartment in his head. His cognitive dissonance combined with fanboi enthusiasm forces him to try and cut me down because his "truth" is so distorted. Good luck with that.

 

[PungoteagueDave]

I don't get nags when I'm attentive, only if I stop paying attention. I'm not sure what you're doing wrong because the system is pretty easy to use correctly.

I am doing nothing wrong unless you consider glancing at the middle screen to attend to the basic vehicle functions to be doing something wrong. I do NOT look at my phone while driving, contrary to REM's spurious allegations.

 

[PungoteagueDave]

You are too ignorant to understand that FSD is able to learn for the fleet even when it's not directly engaged on your vehicle.


it has already been explained to you multiple times that Autopilot is a separate branch, and doesn't help the devs speed up the refinement of the FSD program. You would know this already if you would remove your head from your rear-end.


Oh, you poor thing. Having to drive all those luxuries around manually, with your hands. Such a shame that a few months in time, you aren't able to tow a wide variety of things behind a brand new platform that is still in development for autonomy. You should write your senator.


I have already corrected the record with this FUDster several times, on differing topics as well. You weren't promised a single thing, especially not in writing. You are a liar, and I have no idea why you are clogging up this forum.

Proving once again that despite claiming he banned me, that REM cannot stop me living in his head. I know FAR more about how Teslas operate, have driven nearly a million Tesla miles, from Alaska to Key West and the factory to Maine. Dude, you cannot explain a THING to me.

Okay idiot, here goes. No, there is no additive process for the neural network learning process related to ANYTHING AP or FSD-related when a Tesla is driven normally, without AP or FSD turned on. Nothing,. Nada. Zero. Learn something before posting.

While the network continues to collect certain data when a Tesla is driven anywhere, with or without FSD or AP turned on, my reference was to the future of FSD on the CT and my vehicle's ability to contribute to that future. Because I am driving, forcibly, without FSD most of the time, my car is NOT adding relevant data to the system that is useful for FSD development, FULL STOP. Tesla confirms this - "While the car's cameras and sensors are primarily used for those features, they also feed data to neural networks for other tasks like object detection and segmentation, which can be used for various functions beyond just autonomous driving. The data cannot, however, be used for further development of autonomous driving features."

I have fully documented the MANY promises made by Elon Musk and Tesla IN WRITING and in speeches - not objectives or goals, but actual promises that have never been met, and some now fully abandoned. This is unquestionable except for those dealing with cognitive dissonance
While the car's cameras and sensors are primarily used for those features, they also feed data to neural networks for other tasks like object detection and segmentation, which can be used for various functions beyond just autonomous driving.

Autopilot was a LISTED feature (not future) of my CT when delivered - it did not say coming soon or TBA - it read as a current feature. It is now officially abandoned, documented by Tesla communication, and nothing any fanboi says can change that fact. The reality is that a feature needed when towing (AP) is never coming to our vehicles, and FSD will never operate when towing. That is a promise made and not kept, one that will never be met. There are many, many other examples, but this is a recent and concrete example. I will repeat here my prior statement on the fanboi resistance to reality:

There are no ends to which people will go to in order to maintain the coherence of their current belief system, irrespective of the amount of contrary evidence that they are exposed to, because that information triggers cognitive dissonance. Humans cannot live with cognitive dissonance and must always at least attempt to reconcile the irreconcilable – reinforcing their narrative. Paradoxically, when exposed to contrary information, it only solidifies their current position. REM is Exhibit A.

 

[CyberGus]

No, there is no additive process for the neural network learning process related to ANYTHING AP or FSD-related when a Tesla is driven normally, without AP or FSD turned on. Nothing,. Nada. Zero.

Unless there has been a recent change, FSD uses "shadow mode" to learn even when not in control. I'm not sure where your quote from Tesla about the data not being "used for further development of autonomous driving features" came from, a Google search did not find it.

"In autonomy presentations over the past few years, Musk and Tesla’s then-head of AI, Andrej Karpathy, detailed the company’s approach, including its so-called Shadow Mode.

In Shadow Mode, operating on Tesla vehicles since 2016, if the car’s Autopilot computer is not controlling the car, it is simulating the driving process in parallel with the human driver. When its own predictions do not match the driver’s behavior, this might trigger the recording of a short “snapshot” of the car’s cameras, speed, acceleration, and other parameters for later uploading to Tesla."

https://spectrum.ieee.org/tesla-autopilot-data-deluge



Per greentheonly, "shadow mode is widely misunderstood", so maybe it's not what we think it is, but there's a large consensus that believes it is happening.

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