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[Zwick]

You’re onto something with the 110v thing, but I don’t think it’s the mobile connector’s fault.

The car uses a chunk of power just sitting there running its cooling and computers while it charges. On 110v you’re trickling in so little that most of it gets eaten up by that. On 240v you’re pushing way more in, so that same overhead barely matters.
So mobile on a 14-50 should be about the same as a wall connector. It’s the same cable path into the same charger in the car either way.
The wall connector’s real perk is just speed — 48 amps instead of 32. On the Cybertruck that’s about 30 mi/hr vs 20.
On the brand question, I think that’s about the outlet itself, not the cable. The cheap 14-50s aren’t made to sit at 32 amps for hours and they can overheat. Hubbell’s the one people usually point to.

I need to look what brand of 14-50 I have. I do remember I didn’t buy a cheap brand. Been using it since 2021.

Hubbell also makes Bryant and they are the same 14-50 sockets. But the Leviton and most of the other brands you will find at the local hardware store are not up to the task.

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[Alpine]

NEMA 14-50 Tesla Response
Q: How does Tesla respond to NEMA 14-50 questions?
A: While an existing NEMA 14-50 outlet will work to charge the car, you would need to purchase the $35 adapter from Tesla to make it work, they are not provided with the vehicle.

Tesla does not recommend installing a new NEMA 14-50 outlet to charge your car. Installing a Tesla Wall Connector is the recommendation, and it is for a number of reasons.
First off, the electrical code has changed to require all new NEMA 14-50 outlets be installed on GFCI breakers. The Tesla already has one on-board to protect itself, and if you have two GFCIs on the same circuit, they tend to trip each other, making for a very unreliable charging setup. Not all building departments are enforcing this code requirement, though, so you’ll have to check with your electrician if you might be able to get away with a standard breaker on a new NEMA 14-50 outlet.

Second, the maximum charge rate for a Model S on a NEMA 14-50 outlet is 23 miles of charge per hour. The Wall Connector on a 60amp circuit will give you 34 miles of charge per hour, so 50% faster charging.

Third, the reliability of charging on a NEMA 14-50 outlet is limited by design and quality of the outlet your electrician buys. There is a $15 (Leviton brand) residential grade NEMA 14-50 outlet sold at Home Depot that is not sufficient to support daily vehicle charging. The Leviton outlet has fiberglass insulators that tend to melt out after a few months of vehicle charging. The outlets are not designed specifically for EV charging; they are designed for plugging in RVs and range ovens. Ranges will pull max power once in a while when we roast a turkey, but EV charging will be pulling maximum amperage for hours on end every night. For this heavy use, we recommend an industrial grade NEMA 14-50 outlet, by one of these three brands: Hubbell, Bryant, or Cooper. These use glass or ceramic insulators and should last 3-5 years before they, too, eventually need to be replaced. At $50 – $100, they are not cheap.

Fourth, installing a Tesla Wall Connector lets you keep the mobile connector that comes with the car in the car. If you are using the cord that comes with the car to charge at your home every night, you will need to unplug it and take it with you every time you travel, which is time consuming and will wear out your plug faster. Most owners in this situation end up purchasing a second Mobile Connector Bundle to keep in the car as a backup, which is ~$300. Many folks expect to save some money by installing the NEMA 14-50 outlet instead of the Wall Connector, but that usually doesn’t end up being the case in the long run.

So for faster charging, a more reliable charging setup, a future-proofed design (the Gen3 Wall Connector gets OTA firmware updates), and a better looking unit, the Tesla Wall Connector is our only recommendation. I have attached the Gen3 Wall Connector installation guide as a reference.
I hope this helps!

Jonas Clausen | Tesla Installation Project Manager
47700 Kato Rd. | Fremont, CA 94538

 

[Zwick]

If all you want to do is charge your Tesla, a quality 14-50 outlet properly installed and the mobile charger are quite adequate for overnight home charging. If you want to do powershare, that's another matter. The wall charger or universal will allow you to charge a little faster. I have been using an Evdance unit for about 8 months and it works great too. Tesla mobile charger is all I used on my MY before that. Tesla mobile maxxed at 32A while the Evdance bumped it up to 40A (both on a 14-50 socket).
https://www.evdances.com/products/e...v-charging-station-wifi-enabled-etl-certified

Correction: See the 14-50 response supplied above by @Alpine. When I bought my MY the mobile chargers came with the 14-50 adapter. I did not realize this had changed. Also, I am in an unincorporated area and no one is enforcing code requirements. So I can have a non-GFCI breaker on my 14-50 outlet and avoid the GFCI head butting between the breaker and mobile charger.

 

[iamiable]

2 members away from hitting 150 in our tracker!

Nice to see some new members and hopefully we'll hit 150 next week, and get some updates on deliveries from @P_O_Man3849 , @popthefrunk , and @Zwick.

Have a great weekend folks!

Can you add my detail:
Date Ordered: 2/20 around 10:30pm CST
City: Fort Worth, TX
Reservation: RN12714XXXX
Tesla AI Delivery Estimate: 09/05 - 09/30

 

[-CYBRG-]

@Alpine
Given it's your first EV, you will see many different ways people deal with their charging situations. Some go for convenience, some lower cost, some in between. I think you need to assess your situation to figure out a few options first, then go with the one that makes most sense.
Here are my recommendations: I would NOT go with 14-50 route for everyday charging. Before EV, we didn't have anything that pulled 7.5KW or 9.5KW of power continuously for 10-12 hours. Yes, I understand the 20% debating, but why take a chance not knowing the type and condition of the existing wiring?
Also, absolutely do not trust those dryer plug switchers. There are no reputable brands that make them. Do they work? Sure. But are they reliable, who knows.
With a Tesla UWC, you have so many advantages. You can do scheduling, know everything about the connection on a phone, things like how many times the contactor was opened and closed. Not to mention, brand new circuit will give you peace of mind
You bought a CT, I would say go one step more and do it the right way. You will never regret installing a UWC, but you might regret not installing one.

I forgot one thing - check with your electric company, they might have programs that will make EVSE install cheaper by hundreds to more than thousand. I got two $500 reabates for both of my WCs and that basically made them free.

 

[-CYBRG-]

If all you want to do is charge your Tesla, a quality 14-50 outlet properly installed and the mobile charger are quite adequate for overnight home charging. If you want to do powershare, that's another matter. The wall charger or universal will allow you to charge a little faster. I have been using an Evdance unit for about 8 months and it works great too. Tesla mobile charger is all I used on my MY before that. Tesla mobile maxxed at 32A while the Evdance bumped it up to 40A (both on a 14-50 socket).
https://www.evdances.com/products/e...v-charging-station-wifi-enabled-etl-certified

Correction: See the 14-50 response supplied above by @Alpine. When I bought my MY the mobile chargers came with the 14-50 adapter. I did not realize this had changed. Also, I am in an unincorporated area and no one is enforcing code requirements. So I can have a non-GFCI breaker on my 14-50 outlet and avoid the GFCI head butting between the breaker and mobile charger.

Tesla Mobile Connector still comes with 2 adapters: 1 5-15 (110V, 15A) and 1 14-50 (220V, 50A) - both derated 20% for continuous duty.

 

[bubber14]

Can you add my detail:
Date Ordered: 2/20 around 10:30pm CST
City: Fort Worth, TX
Reservation: RN12714XXXX
Tesla AI Delivery Estimate: 09/05 - 09/30

Awesome. Only one more person for 150 people! Who will be the 150th?

 

[Nomogas1]

So, did you buy the gateway and the UWC separately?
Tesla has a bundle that includes both for $1970.

Tesla Powershare Home Backup Bundle https://shop.tesla.com/product/powershare-home-backup?sku=1841000-99-B

I bought the bundle, but I was charged as 2 separate orders. I still have to contest that.

 

[antiman]

this morning my delivery date changed to July 24-aug 28, previously July 15-aug 4

 

[Zwick]

Tesla Mobile Connector still comes with 2 adapters: 1 5-15 (110V, 15A) and 1 14-50 (220V, 50A) - both derated 20% for continuous duty.

So, In the response that @Alpine posted on 14-50 outlets, it stated that the mobile charger adapters were not included with the vehicles. Does this mean that the mobile charger that comes with the vehicles does not include the 14-50 adapter, but it is included when you purchase a mobile charger directly? Can someone who has taken delivery of their 59k tell us what they got?

 

[-CYBRG-]

I bought the bundle, but I was charged as 2 separate orders. I still have to contest that.

That's insane. I'd talk to them ASAP.

 

[-CYBRG-]

So, In the response that @Alpine posted on 14-50 outlets, it stated that the mobile charger adapters were not included with the vehicles. Does this mean that the mobile charger that comes with the vehicles does not include the 14-50 adapter, but it is included when you purchase a mobile charger directly? Can someone who has taken delivery of their 59k tell us what they got?

It's either the entire package (1 mobile connector, 2 adapters) or none. Some had this in their trucks, some didn't.

The three times that I did CT demo, they all had brand new mobile connector box (including adapters) in the vault of the bed. The base CT that I checked out at the service center also had this box on the floor behind the driver's seat.

All Teslas in the USA used to come with J1772 to NACS adapters. Then, there are municipalities that have additional regulations for EV manufacturers. For example, in some parts of California, Tesla includes CCS1 to NACS adapters to meet local / county laws.

So I'm guessing, in some areas Tesla includes the mobile connector. But if they do, it's the entire package - 1 connector and two adapters.

Tesla does sell various other adapters for the mobile connector. Dryer outlet is NOT 14-50. That's 14-30, and 14-30 adapter you'll have to buy additionally. May be people are confusing the two.

 

[AWDMK4]

Agreed. If im being 100% honest, being this is my first EV, I am a little apprehensive about parking the CT in the garage in the first place. Add the whole charging into the equation and im all about safety and doing it the right way. I don't want that m-f-r burning my house down lol

I don't have a work commute and average 10k mi a year so I don't really need high speed charging but its the safety margin that appeals to me.

Besides, I don’t have a dryer plug in my garage as our laundry room is separate and according to tesla, even the good 14-50s need changing every 3-4 years.

@Alpine, for some reason I had you pegged as a long time Tesla owner.


There should only be 2 options for home charging your Tesla or any EV:

(1) Tesla Universal Wall Connector - Powershare future proofing (+$65 well spent)
(2) Tesla Wall Connector - if you never have a need for Powershare and have to save $65

Will a mobile connector on a NEMA 14-50 work? Sure but if nothing is there already, go the Wall Connector route, you'll thank me later.


In Oct 2023 when we bought our first Tesla, Model 3 RWD, it came with no mobile connector and after running the numbers of installing a 14-50 vs a Wall Connector, the latter was an easy decision based on overall cost, ease of electrical wiring and code compliance. My only regret was that the Universal Connector wasn't available at the time ($100 difference in 2024) and I was limited in the location I could easily place the charger in the garage. With my install, I have to back in the Model 3 parked on the left side of the garage to reach the Wall Connector, right side Model 3 can be parked straight in.

Here are my parts cost to install the Wall Connector, no labor included since I did it myself. My breaker panel was not in the garage, hence the 30' of wiring. All parts costs have increased since 2023, though breakers have come back down in my case.

 

[Mini2nut]

My SAWD came with both.

 

[-CYBRG-]

Agreed. If im being 100% honest, being this is my first EV, I am a little apprehensive about parking the CT in the garage in the first place. Add the whole charging into the equation and im all about safety and doing it the right way. I don't want that m-f-r burning my house down lol

I don't have a work commute and average 10k mi a year so I don't really need high speed charging but its the safety margin that appeals to me.

Besides, I don’t have a dryer plug in my garage as our laundry room is separate and according to tesla, even the good 14-50s need changing every 3-4 years.

Just to make it clear, in US households, 14-30 (not 14-50) is used for dryers, thus known as dryer outlet.

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