AWD vs TRI-MOTOR Longevity | Solid-State Battery Upgrade

[SentinelOne]

Kudos to all of you "keepers"! I'll be upgrading if / as significant new capabilities come out (range, 4th motor, bigger pack, any other significant capability)- hence I have 3 reservations spread out across 100k->2m+

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[HansonCT]

We haven't seen any battery technology "upgrade" appear for anything but the original roadster so far. The oldest model is the S and the new cars are still using 18650 cells.
Not saying that means it never will, but by the time the battery tech moves on the demand for upgrading is really low. That and the battery cell kind of presets the form factor.

I'm far from being an expert, but wouldn't going from the current batteries to the next generation solid state batteries require some type of software charge? Would the current software adapt to the batteries a different way as far charging and and monitoring? This will be my 1st ev, currently driving a plug-in hybrid. I'm thinking software would also need to be modified to support the different batteries. Just my two cents

 

[Woodrick]

39 year old here (see *FYI below as to how my age is relevant). I have a two-part question:

1) If one chooses the AWD over tri-motor, which one will be expected to last the longest assuming a driver with a heavy foot and/or hauling a near-max heavy load?

2) If one wishes to upgrade their no rust multi-million mile drivetrain-based CT to a solid-state battery in the future, will this be within the realm of possibility; can such a structural battery pack be replaced (assuming the solid-state battery pack itself is also structural)? I assume yes since in the event a user's CT battery dies under warranty they wouldn't expect to scrap the entire truck, but I would still appreciate your thoughts?

*FYI I'm using this information to decide if whether or not a tri-motor is still worth it considering my goal to drive CT as my one and only for the rest of my life. Thanks!

There really haven't been any battery longevity updates lately. At a minimum, I believe they should last about 300,000 miles, but I believe that these are expected to be closer to 1,000,000 miles.
You will probably see some initial degradation of the batteries that will take them down by maybe 10%, but they'll be stable there for many, many years.

The AWD vs Tri-motor really doesn't make a difference in the batteries.
One of the battery longevity measures is cycles. A cycle is the equivalent of 0%-100%, it could be 5 50% to 70% cycles. So towing a heavy load every once in a while isn't a big deal. Hauling it daily is going to use more cycles up.

The BIG difference between AWD and Beast will be tires. When a heavy foot hits that accelerator, that's a little more rubber. Don't get me wrong, that same heavy foot doing sprint accelerations is also going to waste some tires, but getting to 60 twice as fast....

You are doing a little too much reading when talking about solid-state batteries. There are tons of new battery schemes, new ones nearly every day. And 99.9% of them end of not being able to go to production.
Each battery technology tends to have advantages over another. Tesla currently uses two technologies, one that stores less but can be charged to 100% wit little penalty and another that has more energy, but doesn't like to be charged to 100% all the time.

Solid-state batteries may become an option in the future, but they aren't really one know.

Sure you can remove the existing pack and replace it. But changing battery technologies mean that a lot of use and charging parameters need to be changed.

The Beast is for people with extra money or want to live at the race tracks. It's super cool to show off. But on your Model Y Performance, how often do you show it off? How often do you race it?
You do realize that your MYP is only a half second faster than the AWD? Do you need to be twice as fast as yout MYP?

 

[Macgyverfever]

There really haven't been any battery longevity updates lately. At a minimum, I believe they should last about 300,000 miles, but I believe that these are expected to be closer to 1,000,000 miles.
You will probably see some initial degradation of the batteries that will take them down by maybe 10%, but they'll be stable there for many, many years.

The AWD vs Tri-motor really doesn't make a difference in the batteries.
One of the battery longevity measures is cycles. A cycle is the equivalent of 0%-100%, it could be 5 50% to 70% cycles. So towing a heavy load every once in a while isn't a big deal. Hauling it daily is going to use more cycles up.

The BIG difference between AWD and Beast will be tires. When a heavy foot hits that accelerator, that's a little more rubber. Don't get me wrong, that same heavy foot doing sprint accelerations is also going to waste some tires, but getting to 60 twice as fast....

You are doing a little too much reading when talking about solid-state batteries. There are tons of new battery schemes, new ones nearly every day. And 99.9% of them end of not being able to go to production.
Each battery technology tends to have advantages over another. Tesla currently uses two technologies, one that stores less but can be charged to 100% wit little penalty and another that has more energy, but doesn't like to be charged to 100% all the time.

Solid-state batteries may become an option in the future, but they aren't really one know.

Sure you can remove the existing pack and replace it. But changing battery technologies mean that a lot of use and charging parameters need to be changed.

The Beast is for people with extra money or want to live at the race tracks. It's super cool to show off. But on your Model Y Performance, how often do you show it off? How often do you race it?
You do realize that your MYP is only a half second faster than the AWD? Do you need to be twice as fast as yout MYP?

This is true. I find myself inching towards awd everyday for many reasons one being battery-wise that the tri motor just feels kinda like dual motor plus.

To all the commenters, this really helps. Cheers!

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