Dual motor vs Tri motor

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Def chasing the dragon....M3P at 3.1, Superduke at 2.6, Tuono at 3, Challenger at 3.3, MB AMG < 4...only my truck is > 4 (slow af at 7, but tows nice)....I'm not used to losing if the person next to me desires a go...so must have Tri performance so all vehicles are at < 3, lol....
How nuts that a truck will match your superduke
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How nuts that a truck will match your superduke
Yeah, thats crazy and the truck will be consistent…me launching my superduke not so much! 😎
 

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So with acceleration times we have to realize that the Tesla launch times aren't faster because of not having enough horsepower, but rather not having enough traction to put the horsepower down.

The Plaid is a classic example of this.

With 2200kg You only need 210kW to get from 0-50kmh in 1 second (30MPH), and 430kW to 100kmh in 2 seconds (60MPH), 570kW to 200kmh in 6 seconds (120MPH) if you have the right gearing and torque curve etc.

The Plaid has 770kW. How much tyre do you want left after the run? 😜

Point here is that the CT will have the exact same problem with those motors in there, in that it's likely to be "speed limited" to 200kmh (120MPH), by having a higher ratio final drive, that in turn makes all that power available at lower speeds. It needs this for torque to move the extra mass, off-roading and especially for towing. But it's going to have some bite at the low speeds because of it.

I think even just the DM will be around 3 seconds, the TM heading to under 2.5 seconds, which honestly is exciting, terrifying and nuts, for a bullet proof SS box that floats.

That's "if" your tyres keep up and don't just turn to sloppy goo as soon as they figure out they've been slapped on a CT... 😎

I think we might all need bead lockers otherwise those rims are going to let those 35" go solo.
 


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Oh! Oh! I have one, can I try?!

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A “mobile phone” is something on which they can still “type” lots of words per minute, but by slapping their banana-thumbs on glass with ‘predictive’ typing software that auto-incorrects every 10th word

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Tesla Cybertruck Dual motor vs Tri motor 83ga8d
 

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... I’d just prefer to have an all-in-one solution if I can. ...
This is what I'm hoping for.

Currently, I'm driving a Corvette for fun, a Mercedes sedan for comfort, and a Yukon XL for hauling. The Dual will satisfy the needs for all three of those vehicles,, letting me sell or trade in all of them to help fund the Cybertruck.

I'm open to a Tri-motor if it's not crazy expensive and I can buy it before I can buy a Dual, but I doubt that either of those situations will happen.

I also have, but don't regularly drive, a BMW 330 and a 1968 Cougar XR7 (my wife's first car when she was in high school) that we're planning to restore. I'll keep BMW or replace it with something else so we have a second vehicle in the family.
 

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A lot of people have said Tri motor uses plaid motors. What about some next gen hairpin motors with a max rating of 425Hp/motor? Maybe the Dual motor we saw with a H weight rating was the "Performance" that fulfils the 3500 payload rating with the same 115kWh (usable pack) as the standard "Dual Motor" w/ lower payload. If production rate, costs & efficiency are top priority, hairpin seem to be the better choice and the future.

Maybe available at launch, Tesla derates the 115kWh's pack power for the "Dual Motor" and provides the first two variants (limiting factor: 4680 run rate, next gen motor availability and general cybertruck assembly rate):
  • "Dual Motor" 2motor 600hp, 330mi, 0-60mph 4.5s, ~2600 payload, ~13k towing (G-Rated) $64,990 (~20% lower truck pmt and home fuel costs to a comparable F150 Crew Cab Hybrid) ~$1,255/mo vs $1,577/mo
  • "Performance" 2motor 850hp, 315mi, 0-60mph 3.5s, ~3500 payload, ~14k towing (H-rated) $69,420 (~33% lower truck pmt and home fuel costs to a comparable F150 Raptor 3.5 V6) ~$1,347/mo vs $2,021/mo
Then some unknown time later, maybe 2025 (limiting factor: 4680 run rate & next gen motor availability while ramping next-gen vehicle):
  • "Next Gen Tri-motor" 3motor w/153kWh 1200hp, 420mi, 0-60mph 2.9s, ~3000lb payload, ~15k towing (H-rated) could be $79,990 but not announced 11/30 (~35% lower truck pmt and supercharging fuel costs to a comparable F150 Raptor R V8) ~$1,687/mo vs $2,610/mo
Prices might seem high but with the $7500 rebate and fuel costs, these would be significantly cheaper monthly payments + fueling costs compared to their ICE truck competitor. I would think of these prices as launch minimums. They are worth about $71k, $89k and 118k to be cost neutral with ICE @ 10% interest 0% down 60mo 15k miles/yr. Spec would meet or exceed ICE other than range. Maybe we see 500 mile when we get to Mars.

What do you buy or wait for?
This (your initial launch scenario) actually sounds very realistic and seems like an ideal scenario IMO. Given these parameters, I might elect for the Performance Dual considering the price point is not far off from the Standard Dual and the 0-60s here (at least for your version of the "Standard Dual") are less competitive with the alternative (Rivian for me).

If we take what we know (that the Performance is in fact a Tri), what is extremely likely (Dual 0-60 is around 3.5+/-), and adjust your scenario just a bit, then I'm saving the $5K and going Dual with the little bit of extra range.

As far as your scenario for a future variant with 420Mi at $79K, that depends on what happens on 11/30. If they come out and say they are working on this with no timeline then that's off the table. In that situation you aren't choosing between now and later (~predetermined), you are choosing between now and "some time in the future" which could ultimately be never a la Plaid+.

If the scenario is shifted a bit to say we plan to ship a 420Mi version at $79K by Q1 2025 then maybe but probably not. 420Mi advertised range is the bottom edge of my use case for roundtrip days into the mountains (300-350Mi in Winter with significant elevation gain & loss) without needing to stop/charge. Adjust that to 500Mi and the odds of me waiting become significantly higher. Don't give me a date and/or a price and I'm most likely not waiting.
 

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Just a thought, but im pretty sure the Tri motor Variant has the upgraded wheels (ones from the unveiling) and the duel motor has the rims without the wheel covers. Always wondered what the difference was at the factory outbound lot and this seems to make sense to me. IMO.

Also now when you reserve a cybertruck you don't get a choice between models. My question is can I upgrade to the tri motor if I have the duel when configuration comes available?
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Probably because reservations now are 10 Years away and we'll have flying cybertrucks by then...
 


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at least as of the Semi launch, Tesla said the Semi and CT will utilize essentially a plaid motor

obviously things change, but

lots of good logic here on the whole

though I’d guess your dual 0-60 is high by ~0.6 seconds (based only on assumption the CT won’t be slower than Lightning LR), and your tri 0-60 is high by as much 1 second (based not on a guess)

and, I take no position on price - that whole topic disorients me, except to say I’m interested to see someone finally put together that a ‘performance’ CT (that shares the same pack) may not be the sort of ~$20K delta people have been conditioned to expect (based on the unveil notion of a ‘tri’ including LR pack)
I found another 0-60 calculator that has options for EV motors/gearboxes.

"dual motor": 6340 curb + 180pass @ 600hp
With normal street tires, it comes in at 4.44 but with performance tires would be 4.04sec. Considering I made this software limited for power, I allowed for a software performance boost like the long range model y. Maybe this bumps you to 700hp for 3.8sec with road tire 3.46s with performance tires.

"performance": 6420 curb + 180pass @ 850hp
3.17 for road tires and 2.85 for performance tires.

"Next-Gen Tri Motor": 7000 curb + 180 pass @ 1250hp
3.08 on road tires and 2.133 on performance tire.

3.08 seems to be the lower limit on street tires. To my knowledge, we haven't seen any cybertrucks with true performance tires that would be capable of getting under ~2.8 sec.
 

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🤣they may be thinking “why does a parent of children need a sub-3 second 0-60?”

As a parent if 3 under 6, my Lightning’s dual-like sub-4 second results in enough bad parenting decisions
2003, kids were eight and six
Wife - Exactly why do we need the 'Mopar Stage Three" kit for the SRT-4?
Me - Because 360whp on race gas, or 310 on premium
Kids - WHEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Taught the daughter to drive in the first gen SRT-8 Charger, boy took his drivers license test in it :)
 

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