Cheap Gas is ruining EV debate

[M0unt41nm4n]

Many others on this forum with a CT have seen (and posted) around 0.55 Kwh per mile (550 wh/mi), or as much as 800 to 900 wh/mi but that's often when pulling a trailer. So your reference to 2.2 kwh per mile (2200 wh/mi) simply doesn't add up. There are numerous posts in here where CT owners are getting under 600 to 700 watt hours per mile on road trips, which is only about a third of the 2200 watt hours per mile you are citing.

So show us a image of the trips with wh/mi usage on your CT screen, and then we can compare your screen image with others?

- ÆCIII

Apologies. 2.2 miles per KWh. I put an update at the bottom of that post.

Numbers are correct and based on the 2.2 miles per kwh.

The most I would tow with my CT is my Kuat rack carrying a mountain bike.

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[Cybertruck2024]

Over $0.30 per kWh near me, no off peak pricing either. They make it hard to really tell the cost, there are tons of different charges and taxes on the bill so need to back into the charge. The issue is my electricity cost went up 50%+ since I bought my first Tesla. When I got my M3P, the savings of electricity vs gas were significant and easily recognized. With current electricity pricing, it isn't a selling point anymore. $800 electric bills aren't easy for many Americans to swallow.

The solar argument doesn't work for people who have a hard time just making a car payment. With many solar incentives gone, the installation cost just isn't feasible for 80%+ of Americans.

The other irony is Tesla is a major contributor to rising electricity rates. AI is driving the increased prices I pay, and will likely continue to drive electricity rates to exceed gas prices in many parts of the USA.

I love EVs and will drive them even if they cost more. I am also posting on an EV enthusiast forum, I imagine the feeling is largely mutual amongst us. The majority of Americans don't want EVs, the sales and polls are proof. Getting the EV price down low enough that it is no longer reasonable to drive a gas vehicle is the way to convert more people and we are going sharply in the other daily operating cost direction. Average electricity rates are up 37% nationwide since 2020 and are projected to increase 4% this year. There is no doubt losing one of the largest EV benefits will be bad for adoption.

 

[Spartacus]

Over $0.30 per kWh near me, no off peak pricing either. They make it hard to really tell the cost, there are tons of different charges and taxes on the bill so need to back into the charge. The issue is my electricity cost went up 50%+ since I bought my first Tesla. When I got my M3P, the savings of electricity vs gas were significant and easily recognized. With current electricity pricing, it isn't a selling point anymore. $800 electric bills aren't easy for many Americans to swallow.

The solar argument doesn't work for people who have a hard time just making a car payment. With many solar incentives gone, the installation cost just isn't feasible for 80%+ of Americans.

The other irony is Tesla is a major contributor to rising electricity rates. AI is driving the increased prices I pay, and will likely continue to drive electricity rates to exceed gas prices in many parts of the USA.

I love EVs and will drive them even if they cost more. I am also posting on an EV enthusiast forum, I imagine the feeling is largely mutual amongst us. The majority of Americans don't want EVs, the sales and polls are proof. Getting the EV price down low enough that it is no longer reasonable to drive a gas vehicle is the way to convert more people and we are going sharply in the other daily operating cost direction. Average electricity rates are up 37% nationwide since 2020 and are projected to increase 4% this year. There is no doubt losing one of the largest EV benefits will be bad for adoption.

couple points here. Dude you gotta move from a left state, that's insane raising rates 50%! Tesla isn't raising your rates but yes AI and more correctly data canters are soaking up power making it expensive for all. Our governor of Florida (bless his heart) banned data centers here for just those reasons. He said why have them, cuz all they do is burn power and entice 13 yr olds to do stupid stuff? On top of that they can run the entire data operation with 10 people so no jobs either.

 

[CyberGus]

I wouldn’t go back to ICE if gas was free

 

[Cybertruck2024]

I wouldn’t go back to ICE if gas was free

We are on an EV forum and are the minority of Americans. 16% of Americans say their next car will be an EV. When EVs cost more than ICE to run, that number could go down. This cost delta matters.

 

[4 SPACE]

.13 cents at home in Arizona charging
But 100% free on the road
Thank you Free super charging

What does suck is getting in one of my gas cars and saying crap i need to stop and get gas
what a pain in the ass

 

[Maaz]

Well I’ve never been given free gas before. I have multiple free chargers around me, including free charging at work. I haven’t paid for my vehicle fuel in over 3 years.

 

[Cybertruck2024]

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Well I’ve never been given free gas before. I have multiple free chargers around me, including free charging at work. I haven’t paid for my vehicle fuel in over 3 years.

When you pitch a 1 in 10,000 scenario as why EVs are better, then this is the kind of rhetoric that makes it so only 16% of Americans want an EV.

Someone always wins the Powerball. You should convert your retirement account to Powerball tickets.

 

[Baldyloxx]

…the cheaper the gas, the more they will want to burn.. the more they will want to burn, the more more morest pollution..

 

[CyberGus]

We are on an EV forum and are the minority of Americans. 16% of Americans say their next car will be an EV. When EVs cost more than ICE to run, that number could go down. This cost delta matters.

There are probably better ways to save money than buying a $100,000 truck.

 

[Cybertruck2024]

There are probably better ways to save money than buying a $100,000 truck.

This is more about buying a used Corolla or Model 3. This is the decision most people make, and if the Corolla will be cheaper to run, that matters.

 

[CyberGus]

This is more about buying a used Corolla or Model 3. This is the decision most people make, and if the Corolla will be cheaper to run, that matters.

Sure, value matters. It's upfront costs that impede sales, however. EVs are typically more expensive than their ICE counterparts.

But overall, EVs are cheaper to operate per mile. By allot.

 

[pae1andonly]

I can remember buying leaded gas for 49¢

When I started driving, we had an Opec-driven crisis which raised gas prices to an insane $0.33.

 

[Cybertruck2024]

Sure, value matters. It's upfront costs that impede sales, however. EVs are typically more expensive than their ICE counterparts.

But overall, EVs are cheaper to operate per mile. By allot.

It was a lot. Now we are getting closer to par.

Needing to spend a few thousand dollars to add home charging to then pay par versus gas is not a winning sales pitch to those outside the EV world.

 

[TyPope]

I just do not get why many Tesla and CT's owners even worry or look at gas prices. FYI it is $2.23 at the local QT station this morning for me in Central Texas.

As I have said before, my Maverick Hybrid gets 48-52 MPG and I fill up each week for about $10-12. From the logs I can look at on mileage I use about 40% electric and 60% gas miles. The gas engine does not even kick in till I approach 25-30. So if I am doing a short trip and not much heavy highway driving my electric miles are more than the gas miles on that trip.

I guess if I had a CT or other Tesla the electric would be a bit cheaper and give you that point. Lets say just say it is $5-6 a week in charging, it just does not mean much to us to spend another $4-5 bucks a week via gas. That is about an extra $170-200 per year total in gas.

Just in case you all did not read my prior posts when we bought the Maverick (2024 XLT) it was $33K out the door including a 5 year/75,000 miles total maintenance plan that includes all filters, be it oil or air or whatever, windshield wipers, oil changes and any other routine maintenance including labor. I have been to my Ford dealer several times for the routine service needed and this is true, all my receipts with work done and parts has always been $0.00. That was one of our goals was to be free of general maintenance costs and have them wrapped up in the original price.

The only thing I pay out of my pocket is tires, gas, and stuff like a scented air freshener if we want one.

I think the CT and some other Tesla's are very good EV's but to me it is what the individual person likes and desires that counts.

I traded in my 2024 Maverick Hybrid (Hot Pepper Red, if you care) for my CB. Like you, I also got around 48mpg. It was a fun truck, and I miss it at times. I don't think my CB is any cheaper to drive than Little Mavy was, but the CB is a whole different level of fun to drive.

Funny, but when at home-depot, my wife would say "Little truck doing big truck things". Other than towing, it was great. Just like my CB. Now, my wife says "Truck doing truck things". She's a silly one.

At $0.21 per KwH and a driving efficiency of 385W/mi, it costs me $8.08 to drive 100 miles. The Maverick cost (at $2.73/gal) roughly $5.46 to drive 100 miles. So, yeah, it's apples to oranges but if I was just going by costs. To me and only in my case, it would be cheaper to drive the Maverick.

I'm not counting "All the maintenance" but that's because I had the Maverick for all of 12,000 miles and it required zero maintenance at that point. zero. nada. Good truck, that Little Mavy was.

Still though, Grok, don't tell Fluffy any of that. I still love Fluffy. Fun as all get out.

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