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you can always store the spare under the bed like most pick-ups do, though you will loose some of your clearance

Oh the diaper underneath the ct rear hangs down lower than a spare would for sure.
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Yes, you can temporarily repair a lot of damage that a tire shop will tell you can't be permanently repaired. In the rare event that it is not a simple puncture, you can get creative. I take my tires and safety seriously but would have no problem knotting up three gummy worm plugs to repair a gash, even if it meant adding air every 30 minutes of driving, if I was a long way from services.

The best way to deal with flats is to know how to reduce them to a minimum. Staying alert while driving and running appropriate tires and pressures for the situation goes a long way. I can't remember the last time I had to plug a tire and I've never had damage that was not pluggable. Yes, it's possible, but so are a lot of other things.
Agreed, part of the reason I bought the plug kit in addition to a spare tire is I felt I might be able to get creative with the plugs if necessary, especially when far from a repair shop. I've had many slow leaks and regular topping up a tire is something I am no stranger too. I carry multiple compressors.

I like to think I'm an alert driver and I keep my tires inflated but most of my slow leaks have been due to a screw, I have lived around a lot of construction the last 6 years or so and I think that's been the cause. I'm hoping the truck will be less susceptible to that kind of puncture. Point is, I doubt my eyes would resolve a screw in many cases.

Good to know about the plug, might sound stupid, but I've thinking of asking to keep one of my old tires when replacing them and practicing plugging them, never done it before.
 

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Any idea on how deep the bed trunk is? Based on only having the cover in there it is pretty shallow.
I like your price estimate for the dual motor CT
 

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I like your price estimate for the dual motor CT
We will see. Estimates are all over the place. The 30th will be fun. Hope some of us get to the event and get the chance to meet up.
 

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Meh. If I wanted to feel like a trucker I would have become a trucker. Haha

I’m far too lazy to want to shut my own tailgate. I look at it like the auto closing trunks of S 3 X Y as well as my partners X5 Hybrid. I mean I could just reach up and close those by hand like a commoner but why would I? :)

I like the idea of having my hands full and being able to touch a simple button and walk away.

As far as breakage goes, I’m not convinced a self closing truck tailgate would be any more delicate or finicky than a self closing tailgate. Maybe I’m wrong but there it is.

As for why? Why not???
Well I honestly don’t understand motorised boot covers either. Particularly if there’s no kick sensor. They’re slower and more expensive than just a simple hinge. And, yes, they break. And the bill is expensive (anything that needs repairs is expensive for Tesla…).

You’re really saying you are too lazy to move a simple object by hand? Do you have someone feeding you beer with a straw too? Honestly, I worry about mankind some days.
 
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A. As someone else said, why not? why does it have to make sense to you? Can't other people do things you don't understand, and it just makes them happy, or even just smile?

B. You assume that someone closing a gate by hand feels something, and that something they feel is always the same and exactly what you feel, which can be equated to feeling like "a trucker". I'm not even sure they all feel that way, even the, you know, real truckers.

C. Again, why do you HAVE to know? Can't you just accept that different people like different things?

D. You apparently know that something is going to fail. How many moving parts are in an electric motor??? And you know it "WILL" fail. evidently before everything else.

E. Not "IF", but "WHEN"? Again, how many parts are there in an electric motor? And you are certain it WILL break. But you never said in what time period it WILL break?
In my experience everything electrical and with a motor fails more and sooner than something that doesn’t, and is more expensive to fix. I tend to like to minimise that.

For me motorised boot lids seem mostly a nuisance as they’re slow and need to be managed when there are low roofs and the like. I don’t really get the appeal. Even less so a truck tailgate.
 

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I recall in college when the starter in my '76 Mustang went out and I had to replace it in my cousin's carport (Phoenix AZ area). That sucked!! If only I had a non-electrical alternative.

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I had two different 1969 Nissan Patrol that could be hand-cranked with a dead battery. With a heavy cast-iron straight-six 4.0 liter engine, it was not for the limp-wristed. One time I had a late shift at a Montana ski area and it was 5 degrees F and blowing hard in the dark and empty parking lot after my 7-hour shift. I got in and turned the key to get the warming process started, but there was not even the click of a solenoid as I had left my headlights on, and the battery was as dead as a rock.

I pulled out the heavy steel starter crank and inserted it in the hole below the radiator, I went back to the cab to pull the throttle lock out an inch, pulled the choke all the way out, and turned the key to "run". Then I grasped the hand crank and made a half revolution. Nothing. With all my might, I made a full revolution and a half and it fired right into a perfect high idle, purring like a happy cat! I was pretty happy that I wasn't going to have to call a tow service for a jump in the empty parking lot.

After about 10 minutes at high idle, warm air started the defrost action and in 20 minutes I was on my way off the mountian. An electric car is superior in these conditions. The headlights will not drain the battery (they auto-shutoff) and the heat comes out in 30 seconds instead of getting a weak flow of tepid air after 10 minutes. Nobody wants to wait that long when the temperature is hovering around 0 degrees F! People who say EVs are not good in the cold have never used a good one!
 

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The Rivian R1T "cubby" is sized to store a full size spare wheel. I wish Tesla did the same design. Sigh...
I challenge you to find me one Rivian owner who used this "feature" and could not have plugged the tire more easily and been on their way sooner. Tire plugs, assuming you know how to use them, are a superior solution for 99% of owners.

Just one example, documented on a forum, will suffice. Let's see just how useful a spare tire really is, in the real world. Remember, if the damage could have been more easily plugged, without having to remove and replace the wheel, it doesn't count.
 

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Seems like they wasted a lot of space for those gas springs. You can also see a seal around the interior part is inside the cylinders meaning they aren't protected as well which is odd. Seems like it would have been a better design to put the seal outside the cylinders. I get that they are using this type of spring to make the operation a pleasurable experience with soft open and close, but i put a lot of junk in my truck bed. its currently full of wood and debris from cutting down a tree. Those types of springs are a little fragile feeling. Reminds me of the ones on the screen door of an RV that frequently fail. I guess the nice thing is that they are cheap and easy to replace. If i had to choose for my truck i probably would have picked a torsion spring type hinge. it wouldn't offer soft opening and closing but it would probably last as long as the truck. and from the looks of it it would open up 6" of space on either side of the cavity for more storage.
 

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Good to know about the plug, might sound stupid, but I've thinking of asking to keep one of my old tires when replacing them and practicing plugging them, never done it before.
Practice can't hurt but I learned on the fly years ago and never had a problem. Just know that not all gummy worms are created equal; you want the squishiest ones. The ones sold in the mass-market under the Slime brand name are harder and inferior. They should feel almost like gummy worms with some string inside.

I've never had to get creative with them, because simple punctures are most common. But bigger gashes, if one should be so unfortunate, might require inserting two or three knotted worms first, and then finishing up with one or two un-knotted ones. It's definitely better to "MacGyver" your way out of a jam then to only have a single-use spare tire to rely on.
 
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Agreed, part of the reason I bought the plug kit in addition to a spare tire is I felt I might be able to get creative with the plugs if necessary, especially when far from a repair shop. I've had many slow leaks and regular topping up a tire is something I am no stranger too. I carry multiple compressors.

I like to think I'm an alert driver and I keep my tires inflated but most of my slow leaks have been due to a screw, I have lived around a lot of construction the last 6 years or so and I think that's been the cause. I'm hoping the truck will be less susceptible to that kind of puncture. Point is, I doubt my eyes would resolve a screw in many cases.

Good to know about the plug, might sound stupid, but I've thinking of asking to keep one of my old tires when replacing them and practicing plugging them, never done it before.
Definitely practice. Like Hauling A$$ said, the squishier the plug the better they hols BUT! the harder they are to thread into the awl. And knowing how much pressure you need to stab it to the right depth so it’ll stay… All helpful to know before you’re under you vehicle at night, in the cold, rain… Never happens in nice conditions.
 

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Well I honestly don’t understand motorised boot covers either. Particularly if there’s no kick sensor. They’re slower and more expensive than just a simple hinge. And, yes, they break. And the bill is expensive (anything that needs repairs is expensive for Tesla…).

You’re really saying you are too lazy to move a simple object by hand? Do you have someone feeding you beer with a straw too? Honestly, I worry about mankind some days.
Beer with a straw?!?? I may be lazy but I’m not a savage!

Oh and I was speaking tongue in cheek my guy. :)
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