CyberTruck charge speeds at 350kW Electrify America/EVGo stations??

[AgileMike]

What is the charge speed of a CyberTruck when charging on a 350kW CCS station with the Tesla CCS adapter?

Since there are now quite a few CyberTrucks out in the wild, it would be interesting to see the real world charge speed.

I will be towing a 20' cargo trailer with my Foundation series AWD. Travelling distances of 250 - 750 miles. I have the range extender on order, but it's not estimated to install until late 2024.

Anway, there are only 150kW and 250kW superchargers on many of my routes, but there are 350kW CCS charges from both Electrify America and EVGo. I know the CCS will eventually be converted to NACS but that may take a while.

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[lowtek]

Sounds like you'll be the first to know, post back your results!!!

Also, have a plan "b" for those non-Tesla charging stations ... in my experience they are very hit and miss ... I cringe when I have to use one now. Will they be working? Will I get a decent charge rate? Does the credit card reader work?

You would be better off just using superchargers if available.

 

[TexasRaider]

I am interested to finding out how many /which of the EA and EVGo locations are actually able (due to local electricity generation limitations) to provide 100% of each charger’s ability.
I understand there isn’t much transparency on that aspect of all charging experiences. I know if I wasn’t getting 100% max charge when traveling I would strongly desire to know why I am not getting charged as fast as I believe my vehicle can utilize at each stop. Especially if I am traveling for a 1,000 mile trip for the holidays.

 

[AgileMike]

Sounds like you'll be the first to know, post back your results!!!

Also, have a plan "b" for those non-Tesla charging stations ... in my experience they are very hit and miss ... I cringe when I have to use one now. Will they be working? Will I get a decent charge rate? Does the credit card reader work?

You would be better off just using superchargers if available.

Hopefully I'm not the first to know, as it may be 1-3 months before I receive the CyberTruck. I would think with all the YouTube channels that reviewed the CyberTruck and also trucks in the wild, someone would have connected them to a 350kW CCS charger. Because it sounds like there are only 3 or 4 V4 Supercharger (350kW) stations built in the US right now.
Yes, I will for sure have a plan B when using non-superchargers. I've only used Superchargers in the past, but heard very bad things about EVGo, etc. From what I've read online, I believe Electrify American is better, which is the majority of my route.

 

[AgileMike]

I am interested to finding out how many /which of the EA and EVGo locations are actually able (due to local electricity generation limitations) to provide 100% of each charger’s ability.
I understand there isn’t much transparency on that aspect of all charging experiences. I know if I wasn’t getting 100% max charge when traveling I would strongly desire to know why I am not getting charged as fast as I believe my vehicle can utilize at each stop. Especially if I am traveling for a 1,000 mile trip for the holidays.

I would certainly hope a station listed as 350kW would have the actual electrical capacity to produce 350kW. Especially since most of the Electricy America stations in my area have (4) 350kW stations and (2) 150 kW stations. I will purchase the CCS adapter from Tesla and do a test with my Model 3. I can at least see if it charges over 150kW. Theoretically, it should charge at 175kW on a 400V system in the Model 3.

 

[Gigahorse]

20' cargo trailer and 750 mile trip, you may be charging 8-9x
For towing something that big you really want the CT to have 500 miles of range AND the extender.

Having to drop that trailer, charge, and hook back up that many times is going to be brutal, hopefully a trip you only have to make once.

 

[JBee]

I don't think you will get 350kW unless the charger also supports the CTs 800V.

 

[AgileMike]

20' cargo trailer and 750 mile trip, you may be charging 8-9x
For towing something that big you really want the CT to have 500 miles of range AND the extender.

Having to drop that trailer, charge, and hook back up that many times is going to be brutal, hopefully a trip you only have to make once.

I only have to make the 750 mile trip once per year, so I'm OK with it being some nasty charging. I will have to see once I get the trailer, but I'm hoping for 50% range reduction. So from 320 miles to 160. I will start with 100% charge so hoping to charge 4-5 times.

I only drive long distance about 10x per year, with about 50% being 150-250 miles, 45% 350-450 miles, and the one 750 mile trip. The range extender will be a massive help. I really hadn't planned on long distance towing without the range extender, but once I started looking at the fairly low amount of charge time for the shorter trips, I decided to try to make it work. All this is based on the assumption of 50% range reduction.

 

[AgileMike]

I don't think you will get 350kW unless the charger also supports the CTs 800V.

The 350kW CCS charging already supports 800V. That is what the Hyundai and Porsche batteries been using for years.

 

[carsly]

Your rate limiter is going to be the adapter. It's not part of the charging cables active cooling loop nor is it part of the vehicles heating/cooling loop. It's a hunk of plastic with some wires and plugs. That's going to be your slowest point IMHO.

 

[TexasRaider]

Recall Lars said that the CT can charge at 400v as they setup the battery to accept lower voltage. (Supercharger v1-v3 are 400v, I believe.)

 

[CyberGus]

Recall Lars said that the CT can charge at 400v as they setup the battery to accept lower voltage. (Supercharger v1-v3 are 400v, I believe.)

Sure, but at half the voltage, you need double the current to hit the same kW.

 

[webspeedracer]

I’m doing same with my Foundation CT, towing 19’ fiberglass camper (have done so with Model X for years). I’ve been testing the CCS1 adapter since last year at various DCFast chargers across the country, have yet to notice more than 150kW via the adapter. Doesn’t matter whether it’s 350kW/250kW, I think the adapter is limited to 150kW same as V2 SCs. But it’s nice to have the choice to go non-SC when towing, often better than V2 and definitely better than v1

 

[AgileMike]

I’m doing same with my Foundation CT, towing 19’ fiberglass camper (have done so with Model X for years). I’ve been testing the CCS1 adapter since last year at various DCFast chargers across the country, have yet to notice more than 150kW via the adapter. Doesn’t matter whether it’s 350kW/250kW, I think the adapter is limited to 150kW same as V2 SCs. But it’s nice to have the choice to go non-SC when towing, often better than V2 and definitely better than v1

Thanks for the reply, that makes me feel a little better. I'm hoping the CyberTruck should get double the power, as it should be charging on 800V vs 400V on your Model X. I guess only a real world test will let us know. Definately sounds like the adapter will be the limiting factor. I've been watching a few YouTube videos and a few people have reached 225kW or so with the adapter on the X. It's weird that people are getting different numbers. I wonder if the software in the charging station is limiting it to 150kW on some chargers??

 

[AgileMike]

I’m doing same with my Foundation CT, towing 19’ fiberglass camper (have done so with Model X for years). I’ve been testing the CCS1 adapter since last year at various DCFast chargers across the country, have yet to notice more than 150kW via the adapter. Doesn’t matter whether it’s 350kW/250kW, I think the adapter is limited to 150kW same as V2 SCs. But it’s nice to have the choice to go non-SC when towing, often better than V2 and definitely better than v1

Are you getting about 50% range loss when towing with the X? My 20' cargo trailer isn't that heavy, but it's very blockish. It pushes a lot of air, so not going to be great on range.

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