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@Tesla make sure you are taking notes from Bruce. :)
I didn't think about the Autopilot though. I will drive her Y when driving on trips by myself for 2 reasons. Autopilot is wonderful and really works well now. My wife though is not comfortable with me driving the Y and using it so hence the Lightning comfort and quiet ride wins out then. Secondly the Tesla charging network which still matters until Ford is allowed access to the 12k chargers.
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I am a SpaceX fan but I can also acknowledge that the debris field (and by definition damage) from the launch pad, not to mention the launch vehicle, was large. It is a fact that the SpaceX launch pad was dramatically different than those at KSC and probably should have been tested more thoroughly. Anyway, I think that more FAA and NASA oversight cannot hurt until this launch pad is proven to be effective and safe.
If you think that was bad... You should see some of the debris notes from the Saturn V launches. Even the SLS takeoff damaged their launch facility and had to have emergency repairs to stabilize it.

Big rockets are not something that you can just pull off the shelf parts for their ground systems.

That they underestimated the pressure or over estimated the concrete's shatter point aside, the rumors that they damaged things miles away are just untrue.

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If you think that was bad... You should see some of the debris notes from the Saturn V launches. Even the SLS takeoff damaged their launch facility and had to have emergency repairs to stabilize it.

Big rockets are not something that you can just pull off the shelf parts for their ground systems.

That they underestimated the pressure or over estimated the concrete's shatter point aside, the rumors that they damaged things miles away are just untrue.

-Crissa
I don’t know, or really care, whether it was bad or about other historical issues. It also doesn’t matter to me whether the rumors are true. What matters to me is that they build the launch pad in a way that allows them to launch Starship w/o having to rebuild every time or deal with politics. This is engineering - solve the problem and move on.
 

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I think they have it figured out now

 


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Or you could go to the source. Three minutes, actual footage of the new fire diversion system during the 33 engine static fire.




Here's a more technical look, explaining how the new system works and showing before and after comparing the two static fires with and without the new system. Twenty minutes.




You could also just go crazy and get into the weeds if you want, too. Over an hour, if you include the other two episodes on the topic. Shows the engineering underneath.




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I didn't think about the Autopilot though. I will drive her Y when driving on trips by myself for 2 reasons. Autopilot is wonderful and really works well now.
just watched a video of a well known Tesla influencer driving the next gen of Blue Cruise. Said he now prefers BC, esp that it’s handsfree with no nag.

BS has a more limited map, but at least in Texas I’ve found it to be great and look forward to this next gen. Auto lane change etc.
 

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just watched a video of a well known Tesla influencer driving the next gen of Blue Cruise. Said he now prefers BC, esp that it’s handsfree with no nag.

BS has a more limited map, but at least in Texas I’ve found it to be great and look forward to this next gen. Auto lane change etc.
I'm just curious why Tesla has not given lane changing into the included autopilot suite, or why we still get nags. It's probably just to keep people somewhat engaged. But doesn't the BC software watch your eyes too? I forget the differences. I'm not a massive FSD / autopilot aficionado.
 


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I'm very curious, what are your thoughts after driving them back to back?
I own a decade-old GMC Sierra Hybrid and a Model Y.

The F150 Lightning is as much of a truck as the GMC Sierra, but really feels a lot like the Tesla with smooth power and 1-pedal driving.

The physical controls are familiar from the Sierra and the other Ford trucks I've owned, the feel is familiar from the Tesla.

Also, the Lightning has all of the regular pickup truck attachment points, so I can set it up the same way my GMC Sierra (though I'd likely have to rebuy the tonneau cover). That's a big deal.

The Lightning's current range will be fine for trailer-free road-tripping, at least once it has access to the Supercharger network. The range isn't quite enough for long-distance towing, though, which is part of my mission for the vehicle.

The F150 Lightning is the smoothest and most balanced-feeling pickup truck I've ever driven. It really does drive like a Tesla for the most part. If that truck fit my mission, I'd trade both my Tesla and my GMC in on it on a heartbeat. But, as it stands now, I will admire it from afar.

I plan to do a bakeoff between the Cybertruck and the 2nd-generation Ford truck that is scheduled to be released in 2025. I'll probably include the local favorite R1T/R1S, too.
 

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I'm just curious why Tesla has not given lane changing into the included autopilot suite, or why we still get nags. It's probably just to keep people somewhat engaged. But doesn't the BC software watch your eyes too? I forget the differences. I'm not a massive FSD / autopilot aficionado.
The Ockham's Razor answer is that leaving those features out of Autopilot is a nudge to make you spend big bucks on EAP or FSD.

The hazard is that this may discourage repeat business from current Tesla owners.
 
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I plan to do a bakeoff between the Cybertruck and the 2nd-generation Ford truck that is scheduled to be released in 2025. I'll probably include the local favorite R1T/R1S, too.
I'm in the same boat. Hoping to get an early reservation for the T3 and see which one will work out better
 

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I don’t know, or really care, whether it was bad or about other historical issues. It also doesn’t matter to me whether the rumors are true.
OK, so the truth doesn't matter. Any delay caused by regulators is automatically Tesla's fault, regardless of whether the delay is justified by the facts.

Kind of like if a policeman pulls you over for no reason, it's still your fault because you got pulled over. I understand. :rolleyes:
 

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Yes, this is what I went to University for. I was just too early by a decade ^-^

-Crissa
Or too late by five decades, Crissa.

Some engineers had to solve that same problem for the silo-launched Titan II Intercontinental Ballistic Missile system about 60 years ago.

100,000 gallons of water deluged the flame bucket at the bottom of the latch duct in about 10 seconds to cool the exhaust gases and absorb acoustic energy during lift off. Here's an old photo. The "smoke" rising from the sides of the latch duct is mostly steam. It worked well enough that the underground launch sites at Vandenberg were used over and over in the '60s and '70s.

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