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On one hand, I agree that rearward visibility (and forward corner visibility) are going to be an issue for some folks.

On the other hand, I don't agree that it's *wildly* different than visibility in a modern full-sized 4-door truck.

No doubt the CT is wildly less natural visibility. But I'm only saying I don't think that's a swing away from real good visibility in any other.


Trust me, visibility is going to be a thing of justifiable criticism for some folks. For others, they'll adapt to the cameras just fine (assuming that rear camera stays clean ...)

edit to add: it is a good point though all-around RE the urban use-case.
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Nobody’s gonna walk me through Tesla’s torque figures?

7,435 pound-feet for the AWD, 10,296 lb-ft for the Cyberbeast?


Feel like I’m missing something obvious here

that’s >10X the Lightning/Rivian/Model S Plaid, etc

that’s >3X the highest torque ever seen in a production car, or any semi truck


am I taking crazy pills, or did Tesla misprint it’s torque specs by a factor of 10?
Where did you get those torque numbers from?

Is that at the wheel or at the motor? Wheel is much higher.
 

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Nobody’s gonna walk me through Tesla’s torque figures?

7,435 pound-feet for the AWD, 10,296 lb-ft for the Cyberbeast?


Feel like I’m missing something obvious here

that’s >10X the Lightning/Rivian/Model S Plaid, etc

that’s >3X the highest torque ever seen in a production car, or any semi truck


am I taking crazy pills, or did Tesla misprint it’s torque specs by a factor of 10?
These specs from carwow.

Tesla Cybertruck Cybertruck Specs Comparison vs. R1T, Lightning and other pickups Carwow CT TM Spec


That's 685ft/lb for the TM at the motor obviously.
 
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Still waiting to find/see a reliable account of CT brakeover and departure/approach angles at high / very high settings (bc I mostly ignore the ‘extract’ setting for most practical purposes)


With those figures in hand, would be able to give a better compare of what the CT’s clearances means in real world terms vs the Rivian’s shorter wheelbase

folks who have crawled/off-roaded know that generally speaking all ground clearance stats are not equal between vehicles with different wheelbases
 

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and forward corner visibility
11 years on, and the fat and far forward A pillar still gets me into trouble on my Volt. Kids running into the street, pedestrians doing a late cross against where I'm about to turn, etc are all a problem. Haven't hit anybody yet but man have there been too many close calls, even with "my head on a swivel". It's something I'm genuinely quite concerned about in the CT too.

Need some seat time to make a real determination for myself, of course, but I'm genuinely expecting some pretty ugly pedestrian hit rates on the front corners.
 


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Need some seat time to make a real determination for myself, of course, but I'm genuinely expecting some pretty ugly pedestrian hit rates on the front corners.
there’s the A1/A2 pillar bit

but then there’s also the part of being unable to see the forwardmost ~2.5 feet of the vehicle

looking out the windshield, you see only to where the glass meets the hood, and ZERO further

you can’t even raise up in your seat, or try to lean forward over your dash to get a peak


someone should make little marker whips for the front corners of the CT, that give a visible guidepoint to the driver until they get used to having the Jedi feel for the front end
 

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11 years on, and the fat and far forward A pillar still gets me into trouble on my Volt. Kids running into the street, pedestrians doing a late cross against where I'm about to turn, etc are all a problem. Haven't hit anybody yet but man have there been too many close calls, even with "my head on a swivel". It's something I'm genuinely quite concerned about in the CT too.

Need some seat time to make a real determination for myself, of course, but I'm genuinely expecting some pretty ugly pedestrian hit rates on the front corners.
Maybe, or maybe not. Tesla has an impressive alerting system via the cameras. I might wager that the number is lower than average due to the Tesla software.
 
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Maybe, or maybe not. Tesla has an impressive alerting system via the cameras. I might wager that the number is lower than average due to the Tesla software.
In the 2hrs Munro had the truck, he hit something with the CT driver’s corner

There aren’t cameras at the corners (A-pillar relevant), and wide-angle front center cameras typically do more to give me vertigo (or understand center of truck at ground level) than it does to help me know where my corner is in space


Not suggesting any of this is fatal and that one won’t come to have a Jedi sense of their corners, but it’ll be a learning curve - like with Munro

Tesla Cybertruck Cybertruck Specs Comparison vs. R1T, Lightning and other pickups 040B4CD7-1F67-4F33-BFFC-BD5BB41C130F


And the real point is that if the CT could use some corner aids, it is a big swing from the months-ago common “wisdom” that forward/corner visibility in the Ct will be better than “any other truck ever made”

there’s just as much hood in front of a CT as there is any other 1/2 ton truck, it’s just that 2/3rds of the CT hood is behind the windshield, and the other forward 1/3 is invisible to the driver
 

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In the 2hrs Munro had the truck, he hit something with the CT driver’s corner
I hope he brushed the rubble from the destroyed concrete pillar off the truck before he returned it.
 


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New projected EPA numbers. Rivian more efficient.
cool info, thanks

not too surprised the Rivian is more efficient, since it has a large Cd advantage (0.3 reported for Rivian vs 0.345 for CT), likely lower frontal plain, and a bit to a lot less tire

will dig in later, but seems this poster was a bit biased

why list only the most efficient Rivian variants, and the least efficient Lightning variant?

smells funny

edit to add, seems these were teslas selections?

Tesla Cybertruck Cybertruck Specs Comparison vs. R1T, Lightning and other pickups DEADDCE8-7A4C-4080-8A8A-B33030BA6573
 
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cool info, thanks

not too surprised the Rivian is more efficient, since it has a large Cd advantage (0.3 reported for Rivian vs 0.345 for CT), likely lower frontal plain, and a bit to a lot less tire

will dig in later, but seems this poster was a bit biased

why list only the most efficient Rivian variants, and the least efficient Lightning variant?

smells funny
Yeah not sure why those were the selections for comparison made by tesla/the poster. That said I don't think they're bias. Their reddit profile has been around 11 years and shows they own tesla(s) and almost exclusively only post on Tesla data and have posts defending their past EPA data.

The Rivian as you said is more efficient in its shape, similarly why we probably see such a significant hit at higher speeds in the testing for the CT and why the estimate is the CT will lose 10% of range with the tonneau cover open.
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