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Nobody’s gonna walk me through Tesla’s torque figures?

7,435 pound-feet for the AWD, 10,296 lb-ft for the Cyberbeast?


Feel like I’m missing something obvious here

that’s >10X the Lightning/Rivian/Model S Plaid, etc

that’s >3X the highest torque ever seen in a production car, or any semi truck


am I taking crazy pills, or did Tesla misprint it’s torque specs by a factor of 10?
 

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Nobody’s gonna walk me through Tesla’s torque figures?

7,435 pound-feet for the AWD, 10,296 lb-ft for the Cyberbeast?


Feel like I’m missing something obvious here

that’s >10X the Lightning/Rivian/Model S Plaid, etc

that’s >3X the highest torque ever seen in a production car, or any semi truck


am I taking crazy pills, or did Tesla misprint it’s torque specs by a factor of 10?
More BS, GM did it with the Hummer EV too. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a30729376/hummer-ev-torque-explained/
 
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fuck’n-A, spot on

so yes, someone was taking crazy pills, just not me

I’m going to revise this chart tomorrow. On quick back of napkin, the AWD has the ~same or less torque than Lightning while the Cyberbeast has the ~same or bit better than Lightning

“Hummer is not providing the new electric truck's gearing at this point. But based on the light-duty Silverado's gear ratios—which range from 13.8 to 16.1 depending on engine, transmission, and final-drive options—we can guess that the Hummer's real torque number is somewhere between 715 and 834 lb-ft.”
 

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Tesla reports 42.9 kWh/100 miles for the All Wheel drive Cybertruck...


Tesla Cybertruck Cybertruck Specs Comparison vs. R1T, Lightning and other pickups screenshot-2023-11-30-at-15-50-52-
This would mean we have an 146 kWh usable battery. @cvalue13 is that 110-115kWh correct? This is one of about 20 questions I have. I hope the reviewers got time to explain things better than EM and the website.
 


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also, CT has >17in ground clearance in extract mode.

I wonder what's the suspension travel and how well it can handle high-speed Baja driving
 
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also, CT has >17in ground clearance in extract mode.
Yes, in extract mode, which is an essentially an off-road ~emergency feature, that - in my view - Tesla is here milking for the marketing headline.

On one hand, it’s absolutely true that in limited conditions and with a bit of a special process you can raise the truck to >17” clearance. I’ve been in the truck for this procedure and driven in it briefly - it’s crazy high impressive, but the suspension is essentially locked out, so you’re not going to eg offroad in this setting except to cross streams, get in-high centered, and avoid high-centering when otherwise unavoidable. It also taxes the air system in a way that requires essentially resting the system before further adjustments can be made


All of which is why I labeled in my chart the ground clearance item as “(ground clearance (basic)” - to attempt while being brief to flag that it’s dealing listing standard functioning on road and offroad heights.

that said, I’m not as familiar with Rivian, so if what I have listed for Rivian’s max height is also some limited function extraction-like setting, someone please let me know and I’ll both (1) note the CT’s comparable, and (2) ask also what Rivian’s real world max ground clearance is (ignoring extraction-like modes), so I can list that max instead
 
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This would mean we have an 146 kWh usable battery. @cvalue13 is that 110-115kWh correct? This is one of about 20 questions I have. I hope the reviewers got time to explain things better than EM and the website.
it’s why I have that figure bracketed and noted as “useable est.”

that estimate is based on my best available knowledge absent explicit info from Tesla

but I’ll say that if it’s a 146kWh useable and gets only 340mi of “Tesla” reported range, that would be a bizarre outcome!

PS, let’s have those questions if they might fix anything in the chart that’s misleading or incorrect (or that I’d want to make a note for)
 
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EDIT TO ADD: realized I hadn't included what, to me, is among the more interesting heat maps (somehow durring the shelling, i didnt add it)


Cybertruck Stuff 8.png


To me this chart best sort of sums up the product proposition of the Cybertruck, setting aside for the moment (A) the Cyberbeast ("FAST AT ANY COST"), and (B) the pure offroading capabilities.

This heat map instead most reflects the sort of utlity proposition of the truck, from the perspective of a family use sort of truck (as opposed to say pure tradesmen, which will have a different possible set of priorities, but most nerly to the "Agility + Utility" score in the chart above.



Basically, when it comes to either BEV or ICE trucks, with 5-6' beds, physics evidences itself: you can have lots of cargo and interior room, or you can have lots of agility. Cybertruck splits both babies a bit, and that's a compelling product proposition.

As the three scores on the right show, how compelling that product proposition is will depend on a consumer's relative weighting of "all around" (e.g., Utility + Agility) most utility per agility, vs mostly agility-preference, vs. mostly utility preference.

It's an oversimplification of course, which doesn't factor in all kinds of variables that can move the needle. For instance, one could say "but the CT has a closeable/lockable tonneau," then another person could respond, "then buy a topper for the Lightning and get even more closeable/lockable storage," etc., type variances at the margins, that can swing one's buying decisions.

But at a basic product proposition level, i think this heatmap really highlights the cartoon level sketch of what the CT offers that neither the Rivian nor Lightning offer: which is being a bit of both, but not all of either.
 


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@cvalue13 - it has been confirmed that the Rivian R1T Max Pack usable capacity is 142 kWh. The Max Pack EPA range is 410 miles (which I think is BS, but that is another story). The Dual Motor Large Pack R1T has a usable capacity of 128 kWh, and 352 miles of EPA range. The Quad Motor R1T is not available with the Max Pack.
 
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@cvalue13 - it has been confirmed that the Rivian R1T Max Pack usable capacity is 142 kWh. The Max Pack EPA range is 410 miles (which I think is BS, but that is another story). The Dual Motor Large Pack R1T has a usable capacity of 128 kWh, and 352 miles of EPA range. The Quad Motor R1T is not available with the Max Pack.
thank you for that - i follow the R1T only so closely, so there was only so much clear info available

i'll incorporate that in a next revision (im sure others will point out updates/clarifications)
 

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The Silverado I drive at work has a camper shell. I never look at the rearview mirror. EVER. You can't even see traffic behind you so you'll get very adept at using your side-view mirrors, and can back accurately into narrow parking spots with high precision. Even pickup trucks without a shell are impossible to visually determine how close you are to cars behind you, so you either use a backup camera, or, like in the pre-camera days, you become a good judge of how far is far enough more based on visual clues to your sides.
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