Dealing with FSD and Pay attention to the road

[DAE1]

OK, so let me start by saying that I love my CB. FSD latest version is awesome. and I have done over 12k miles so far, some of them on long 1500-mile round trips with FSD (mostly on)

However, attention monitoring is driving me nuts.

If I change the temperature....Pay attention....
If I change volume....pay attention...
if I change media..... pay attention...
If I look for closest coffee location on destinations..... pay attention...
If I get gum out of my center console... looking forward almost all of the time.... Pay attention...
If I sneeze ..... yep...sneeze... pay attention....
even if I am looking straight out of the front window.... I can get.... pay attention...

I then have to disengage FSD manually (and I report it) just to make sure I don't get a strike

I have cleaned the internal camera to make sure its not that.

Is this what you are all experiencing as well... seems even more sensitive since last update.... and these are all things i am doing while still being responsible looking at the road, like i would in any car....

FSD is almost unusable. It’s always been this way for me. Last night I was scratching my ear and it gave me an awareness warning. How can one even “supervise” FSD to help Tesla improve it when the only disengage-comments we have are that we’re getting false awareness alerts. I miss auto-steer and have no idea why Tesla is so stringent on highways. And why not have made the display tiltered towards the driver so we do have to look to our side to adjust things? How do we “supervise” lane changes or turns when we aren’t allowed to look out of our side mirrors or check to make sure we won’t clip the curb? I love everything else about my truck but I never imagined I’d be wishing I could go back to my 2016 Model S auto-steer. At least my model S could detect resistance on the steering wheel without requiring enough force to cause it to disengage like my truck does. FSD is garbage. I wonder if it varies by truck-to-truck, seat height, face shape, etc. because some people seem to have no issues and think this is all a conspiracy for complaining cell phone users.

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[oscar60]

Would reinstall software update through service menu correct some of these FSD problems?

 

[dalton108]

FSD is almost unusable. It’s always been this way for me. Last night I was scratching my ear and it gave me an awareness warning. How can one even “supervise” FSD to help Tesla improve it when the only disengage-comments we have are that we’re getting false awareness alerts. I miss auto-steer and have no idea why Tesla is so stringent on highways. And why not have made the display tiltered towards the driver so we do have to look to our side to adjust things? How do we “supervise” lane changes or turns when we aren’t allowed to look out of our side mirrors or check to make sure we won’t clip the curb? I love everything else about my truck but I never imagined I’d be wishing I could go back to my 2016 Model S auto-steer. At least my model S could detect resistance on the steering wheel without requiring enough force to cause it to disengage like my truck does. FSD is garbage. I wonder if it varies by truck-to-truck, seat height, face shape, etc. because some people seem to have no issues and think this is all a conspiracy for complaining cell phone users.

I can tell you that the only issue I have really with FSD and my CB is related to routing. I frequently have to disengage because I want to go a different route than the truck wants to take other than that I mostly spend my time with my arms folded.

 

[oscar60]

Tesla insurance rate is going up because of FSD mistakes

 

[dalton108]

This is one area where I simply don’t trust Tesla. Getting a perfect driving score to get FSD back in the day was a living hell and I never wanna experience that again. I’ve never caused a vehicular accident and I’m not interested in anybody trying to normalize my driving habits based on a bunch of bogus data like “hard breaking.”

If I didn’t hit anything, and I sure as hell didn’t, it’s none of your goddamn business how quickly I stopped! Aggressive cornering? Fuck you! That’s what!

 

[SteelMyHeart]

I agree it is too sensitive. I would also say to those who are saying it needs to be this sensitive are incorrect. 12 was objectively not as good yet it nagged less so having 13 be more sensitive yet less likely to need an intervention makes no sense.

 

[ABILISK]

This is one area where I simply don’t trust Tesla. Getting a perfect driving score to get FSD back in the day was a living hell and I never wanna experience that again. I’ve never caused a vehicular accident and I’m not interested in anybody trying to normalize my driving habits based on a bunch of bogus data like “hard breaking.”

If I didn’t hit anything, and I sure as hell didn’t, it’s none of your goddamn business how quickly I stopped! Aggressive cornering? Fuck you! That’s what!

Was that a thing? They wouldn’t sell you FSD before checking how you drive?

 

[dalton108]

I agree it is too sensitive. I would also say to those who are saying it needs to be this sensitive are incorrect. 12 was objectively not as good yet it nagged less so having 13 be more sensitive yet less likely to need an intervention makes no sense.

Driving my Model S Plaid today (only because I didn’t wanna detach my trailer for a quick trip to the store) I realized something, the placement of the charging pad in the S is such that the camera can’t necessarily tell that you’re holding your phone if you leave it kind of in place because the screen blocks the view of the camera. The cybertruck can see everything you’re doing vis-à-vis your phone and if you touch that thing it’s going off on you. This doesn’t address the aggressive overreaction to looking at the screen for even a second or two but part of the puzzle.

 

[dalton108]

Was that a thing? They wouldn’t sell you FSD before checking how you drive?

Oh, they would sell it to you! They just wouldn’t let you use it - in beta. Yes, for the first group of us that got it back in 2019 you had to complete a driving evaluation with a score 100% for more than seven days and then they progressively lowered the driving requirement to 95 then 90 and so on until they got to 80% - and after that the requirement was removed for beta testing eligibility.

 

[ABILISK]

Oh, they would sell it to you! They just wouldn’t let you use it - in beta. Yes, for the first group of us that got it back in 2019 you had to complete a driving evaluation with a score 100% for more than seven days and then they progressively lowered the driving requirement to 95 then 90 and so on until they got to 80% - and after that the requirement was removed for beta testing eligibility.

Jeez, that’s dumb. I didn’t experience FSD until like 2021 so I didn’t know about all that.

 

[Dmayo305]

FSD is almost unusable. It’s always been this way for me. Last night I was scratching my ear and it gave me an awareness warning. How can one even “supervise” FSD to help Tesla improve it when the only disengage-comments we have are that we’re getting false awareness alerts. I miss auto-steer and have no idea why Tesla is so stringent on highways. And why not have made the display tiltered towards the driver so we do have to look to our side to adjust things? How do we “supervise” lane changes or turns when we aren’t allowed to look out of our side mirrors or check to make sure we won’t clip the curb? I love everything else about my truck but I never imagined I’d be wishing I could go back to my 2016 Model S auto-steer. At least my model S could detect resistance on the steering wheel without requiring enough force to cause it to disengage like my truck does. FSD is garbage. I wonder if it varies by truck-to-truck, seat height, face shape, etc. because some people seem to have no issues and think this is all a conspiracy for complaining cell phone users.

I miss my old 2014 AP1 Model S (that I put MCU2 in). It was leaps and bounds better at highway driving than my 2024 CT.

 

[DAE1]

I miss my old 2014 AP1 Model S (that I put MCU2 in). It was leaps and bounds better at highway driving than my 2024 CT.

I wish they hadn’t gotten rid of the ultrasonic sensors.

 

[scottf200]

From a couple recent X/Twitter post on v13

James Forst @ ForstSwimfly84
Nags force me to turn off FSD to make a change in something like navigation. That can’t be safer.
12:06 PM · Dec 28, 2024


Branden Flasch @ brandenflasch
Now if only they'd turn down the damn nags. Can barely change the music without the car yelling at me.
10:14 PM · Dec 27, 2024

 

[FlykidCT]

Oh, they would sell it to you! They just wouldn’t let you use it - in beta. Yes, for the first group of us that got it back in 2019 you had to complete a driving evaluation with a score 100% for more than seven days and then they progressively lowered the driving requirement to 95 then 90 and so on until they got to 80% - and after that the requirement was removed for beta testing eligibility.

Oh I remember those days. 5 strikes could put you out for months. Every version of FSD, from the beginning, would have no tolerance for a driver looking at a phone.. period. It would have about the same tolerance for a driver messing around on its own nav screen.

I’ve put a good amout of effort into learning and using voice controls to get control and navigation tasks done. I’ve also settled on using a phone while driving just ain’t worth it.

I’ve noticed so many other drivers with their phones in hand or right in front of their face whose front and rear bumpers are destroyed or missing.

I stand a better chance staying safe around those rolling hazards if I’m not on my phone. It seems to me FSD that needs to be supervised agrees.

 

[Ray Brayer]

The FSD on my CT constantly warns me as well. Much pickier than Model X. It disengages while driving on freeways so I don't use it as much as I typically would. Hopefully this gets addressed soon.

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