FOMO vs. FOMR

[Djinndjinn]

In Pennsylvania and received invite to configure Foundation CT. And while the “coolest toy” part of my brain wants to say yes (Fear Of Missing Out), the practical part of me is saying wait because of FOMR (Fear Of Missing Range). Hear is my calculation (we take frequent 10-12 hour trips in our Model S - “405” miles range):

want to be able to drive about 3 hours - 200 linear miles - then take break. Seems reasonable? To achieve that …
200 miles gps
add 20% minimum for battery miles = 220
add 10% for cold weather = 242
add 15% for buffer = 278
keep below 80% battery charge level or else it takes forever) = 347 miles (conservative - a bit more would be better eg for cold weather)

so if the 340 quoted was actually accurate, I would forge ahead. But wrong tires for range, questionable battery functioning, charge curve re-ports, etc, I have (reluctantly) decided to wait on configuring now.

HOWEVER, if/when Tesla offers all season tires, and there is a respectable feasible battery range above 300, I am ready to pull the lever. And yes, I will also reserve the extender battery. Just hope I don’t need to wait for the extender battery to be a real thing to do so.

I have owned 3 model S’s since 2012, so I am aware of the other issues (fit/finish, etc).. anyway, very excited and biting nails for it to be practical from a range perspective then full photons ahead!

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[Gigahorse]

Will depend on the kind of driving, but if some of that is on the highway at highway speeds you may not get it.

Range is the biggest concern currently along with the 1-2 hour charging times.

You may want to check out the thread below that has some real world numbers reported, posted, etc.

Like yourself if the CT can demonstrate 300+ miles of real world range I am a buyer, until then going to let some other folks ahead of me be the test subjects.

The TLDR is.
TLDR after 40+ days and now over 10,000 miles and dozens of reports on CTs
AWD CT Costs $113k out the door (Beast is about $123k may be more depending on your state taxes etc)
AWD CT has about 208 miles of range (AWD with AS Tires)
AWD CT takes about 1-2 hours to charge 10-80% (v2-v3 supercharger)

 

[Bill W.]

I see that you are in Pennsylvania. Would your delivery center be the one in Devon?

 

[Djinndjinn]

I see that you are in Pennsylvania. Would your delivery center be the one in Devon?

I assume Devon – that is where I’ve picked up all my previous Teslas.

 

[Carlos Thomas]

My concern about the range is:

1. Is the charging speed going to be addressed or improved? If not, then #2
2. People are starting to take delivery of a Cybertruck with a potential newer 4680 battery that can offer up to 10% to 20% more range. So in theory, the AWD Foundation Series could have LESS range than the Cyberbeast which is slated to be released in the latter half of 2024. The resale value of the Foundation Series AWD will plummet.

I believe Tesla should delay/stop the delivery of all Cybertrucks until the 4680v3 they are converting to is ready.

As someone who has a AWD Foundation Series on order, I hope I don’t get a VIN number email. Gaining 20% range is pretty significant. If given the option, I would rather wait for the non-foundation series, which probably won’t see the light of day until the end of 2024/start of 2025…or pay to get the Cyberbeast.

I just think receiving a product that tips the scale at $114K all in and then to have such a massive battery tech enhancement coming so quickly is bad news all around. I don’t want to move to the back of the line (2 million+ people). Not sure what options I have.

I am not sure if anyone shares the same concern.

 

[scottf200]

want to be able to drive about 3 hours - 200 linear miles - then take break. Seems reasonable?

Trivial problem it seems if somewhere in there you have a supercharger to stop for 10 minutes for a bathroom and/or snack break

Or just drive a little slower. You can easily simulate all this in ABRP as well.

Unless you wanted all the FS options or $ doesn't matter in your scenario then I'd skip the FS.

 

[rbrak29]

People are starting to take delivery of a Cybertruck with a potential newer 4680 battery that can offer up to 10% to 20% more range. So in theory, the AWD Foundation Series could have LESS range than the Cyberbeast which is slated to be released in the latter half of 2024. The resale value of the Foundation Series AWD will plummet.

The new 4680 is said to have 10-20 % more capacity, not more range.

 

[Carlos Thomas]

I would expect capacity and range to be somewhat synonymous.

 

[JGTESLA]

I would expect capacity and range to be somewhat synonymous.

Unless Tesla keeps same range targets and uses less batteries to juice profits.

 

[Sjohnson20]

I don’t get why so many people are so hung up on I must drive this amount of time! And it must be this distance! Just stop at a supercharger for like 10 mins and find one thats near the highway.

 

[Djinndjinn]

Not so much a hangup, but the difference between what is feasible and what is enjoyable. we drive from PA to SC every 2 mo. with our current S (400 m range) we can make the trip in 10 1/2 hours including charging at 3 stops. With our previous S (320 m range) it took 12 1/2 hours - big difference - and we made 5 charging stops. With the current range of 200-240 with CT that would likely be 14+ hours and 6-7 stops. We are now talking about having to stay overnight for a trip that we can otherwise do in a day.

stopping more frequently, and the inability to charge beyond 80% in a timely matter, adds up. The ”10 min charge” isn’t 10 minutes, it’s more like 20-30 by the time you exit the highway, park, charge, enter highway.

not complaining, just articulating how the experience improves remarkably with a larger battery and a faster charge curve. 10 1/2 hrs vs 14 hours is a palpable difference.

 

[Sjohnson20]

Yeah I mean it’s not happening with the Cybertruck. It’s going to take longer then a Model S. It’s a much larger vehicle.

 

[Woodrick]

In Pennsylvania and received invite to configure Foundation CT. And while the “coolest toy” part of my brain wants to say yes (Fear Of Missing Out), the practical part of me is saying wait because of FOMR (Fear Of Missing Range). Hear is my calculation (we take frequent 10-12 hour trips in our Model S - “405” miles range):

want to be able to drive about 3 hours - 200 linear miles - then take break. Seems reasonable? To achieve that …
200 miles gps
add 20% minimum for battery miles = 220
add 10% for cold weather = 242
add 15% for buffer = 278
keep below 80% battery charge level or else it takes forever) = 347 miles (conservative - a bit more would be better eg for cold weather)

so if the 340 quoted was actually accurate, I would forge ahead. But wrong tires for range, questionable battery functioning, charge curve re-ports, etc, I have (reluctantly) decided to wait on configuring now.

HOWEVER, if/when Tesla offers all season tires, and there is a respectable feasible battery range above 300, I am ready to pull the lever. And yes, I will also reserve the extender battery. Just hope I don’t need to wait for the extender battery to be a real thing to do so.

I have owned 3 model S’s since 2012, so I am aware of the other issues (fit/finish, etc).. anyway, very excited and biting nails for it to be practical from a range perspective then full photons ahead!

My belief is that the Cybertruck is going to beat that of your last Model S. And that should easily be sufficient. In the worst conditions, you may stop a little earlier, but shouldn't be a problem for you. It's going to be range comparative to a Model 3 or Model Y and will need to charge a little longer, since it is using about 100 Wh/mi more power. And I suspect that while travelling, your existing Model S is getting about 350 Wh/mi.

Range isn't an issue.

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