FSD Fail 💀 Almost Died

[cybercuh]

Current FSD is like a 16 year old with a learner's permit driving the car for the 3rd time. It's dangerous at times, but luckily you have the controls to intervene if you pay attention, not something you can do in a normal car while being a passenger.

Now I would also like to understand the situation above and join the others in the question - was there a Yield there ?

36°08'38.2"N 115°10'12.9"W

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[cadamo001]

You won’t hear from the OP. It’s just another dump and run FUD post.

 

[cybercricket]

36°08'38.2"N 115°10'12.9"W

Yup, there is a Yield there. It's possible that FSD just didn't correctly estimate the interference from that vehicle due to the unusual angle and/or lack of a merge lane.

 

[REM]

FSD failed big time. I almost died. No amount of manual intervention could have prevented it. Good thing the other driver swerved. FSD is fatally flawed.

Please post more context. Where are the other dashcam viewpoints?

 

[cybercuh]

In FSDs defense, there are idiots on the road who actually drive like that or worse ?

 

[dalton108]

@REM - “Please post more context. Where are the other videos views?”

Can handle, cuz! Coming to you live and direct from the “9th Island!”

People do stupid things at this intersection literally all of the time. When people come off the 15 many don’t know whether they’re going to go left or right left. If you go right your headed east towards the strip and if you go right you’re headed west towards red rock Canyon.

There is a yield sign and I can definitively say that this is not a life or death situation - you would get sideswiped at best as others have said. Couple that with the fact that speeds are not particularly high here because (1) it’s always congested and (2) everyone here is coming off of some sort of traffic control device within no more than 50 to 100 yards in any direction.

This is a high traffic area with a lot of people doing a lot of things crossing one another to get off and on the highway and there’s constantly vagrants here jaywalking, panhandling and doing other crazy things.

So, weirdly, not only have I been driving in and around this area since I got my license 40 years ago. I can literally see it every day right out my window. Like now. ??‍ These photos were taken contemporaneously.

Anyone familiar with the area would be exceedingly cautious. There are probably 3 to 4 accidents a month in and around this intersection. MINIMUM! That I can see; in daylight hours!

 

[eswimm]

Given the number of humans that don't understand how to navigate a yield sign, it's not surprising that FSD is going to struggle. The red truck came out of the shadow of the overpass when the Cybertruck was a good ways into the turn, but obviously still before the yield sign. Without seeing the FSD visualizations, there's no way to know if FSD had properly constructed a map of the intersection, if it had identified the truck or what lane it was in. One thing that has always bothered me is that FSD doesn't identify yield signs like it does stop signs and traffic lights. Based on my own experience with FSD in traffic circles, it doesn't feel like it properly applies the extra level of caution that proceeding on a yield requires. With limited visibility due to stopped traffic at that intersection and the 45mph limit on the cross street, it probably should have come to a near stop before proceeding.

 

[cybercricket]

Given the number of humans that don't understand how to navigate a yield sign, it's not surprising that FSD is going to struggle. The red truck came out of the shadow of the overpass when the Cybertruck was a good ways into the turn, but obviously still before the yield sign. Without seeing the FSD visualizations, there's no way to know if FSD had properly constructed a map of the intersection, if it had identified the truck or what lane it was in. One thing that has always bothered me is that FSD doesn't identify yield signs like it does stop signs and traffic lights. Based on my own experience with FSD in traffic circles, it doesn't feel like it properly applies the extra level of caution that proceeding on a yield requires. With limited visibility due to stopped traffic at that intersection and the 45mph limit on the cross street, it probably should have come to a near stop before proceeding.

Why is that exactly ? FSD isn't trained on garbage driving footage, it's trained on data that ensures BOTH legal and safe driving. Whenever FSD fails to negotiate the conditions properly it's because the particular configuration doesn't closely resemble anything it has been trained on previously.

 

[Deleted member 17810]

it's trained on data that ensures BOTH legal and safe driving.

AI FSD doesn't know the laws of the road, other than signage.

It's literally based on how other people drive and neural nets it's way into figuring out what it should do.

 

[cybercricket]

AI FSD doesn't know the laws of the road, other than signage.

It's literally based on how other people drive and neural nets it's way into figuring out what it should do.

Tesla literally has PEOPLE sorting through and annotating the data sets before they make their way into the training data set. It is a non-starter to teach FSD driving from the raw footage given a significant number of American drivers don't know or don't obey traffic laws. Garbage in, garbage out, as the engineering saying goes.

 

[eswimm]

Why is that exactly ? FSD isn't trained on garbage driving footage, it's trained on data that ensures BOTH legal and safe driving. Whenever FSD fails to negotiate the conditions properly it's because the particular configuration doesn't closely resemble anything it has been trained on previously.

It's certainly trained on actual driving footage that is hopefully both safe and legal, but that only covers how to drive. The second aspect of developing the road map and identifying all the potential obstacles is just as critical. Without knowing if it didn't see the red truck, didn't identify the probable path of the red truck or simply didn't identify its responsibility to yield, we can't really know what went wrong in that situation. It's certainly not the 1st time I've seen bad FSD behavior when it came to yielding however, which suggests that it needs more training in those situations.

 

[vandytom]

FSD failed big time. I almost died. No amount of manual intervention could have prevented it. Good thing the other driver swerved. FSD is fatally flawed.

Those situations are tricky. Did you think the Red truck was speeding? Just curious if that’s part of the issue.

 

[Macgreiner]

Tesla literally has PEOPLE sorting through and annotating the data sets before they make their way into the training data set. It is a non-starter to teach FSD driving from the raw footage given a significant number of American drivers don't know or don't obey traffic laws. Garbage in, garbage out, as the engineering saying goes.

I think Tesla fired that team of actual humans scanning footage some time back.

 

[Deleted member 17810]

Tesla literally has PEOPLE sorting through and annotating the data sets before they make their way into the training data set. It is a non-starter to teach FSD driving from the raw footage given a significant number of American drivers don't know or don't obey traffic laws. Garbage in, garbage out, as the engineering saying goes.

That's old FSD.

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