FSD JAIL RANT

[Solarity]

Have you by chance researched any tips/tricks for using FSD for a better experience?

Let’s see here. I can’t change radio stations w FSD as i take my eyes off the road for too long. So choices are pulling over to the side of the road or turning FSD off till I get a station I want Both are way more dangerous than having eyes off the road for 15-20 seconds w FSD on. Hmm. Seems Tesla is pushing us to a bad choice.

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[REM]

Let’s see here. I can’t change radio stations w FSD as i take my eyes off the road for too long. So choices are pulling over to the side of the road or turning FSD off till I get a station I want Both are way more dangerous than having eyes off the road for 15-20 seconds w FSD on. Hmm. Seems Tesla is pushing us to a bad choice.

I think the bad choice is that you are allowing someone to curate your music listening experience rather than use voice commands to stream your own music (and without advertisements) ?.

I have no problems using voice commands or making quick changes without FSD nagging me.

 

[DAE1]

I do agree that the CTs response to force applied to the steering wheel is practically non-existent. More often than not, I have to apply so much force that it just kicks me out of FSD. With that said, I don’t think the solution is to change the strikeout duration. Some people abuse FSD, which is currently not true FSD but, rather, “supervised.” I think calibration of the sensors in the steering wheel is the true solution.

 

[motleytwins]

Bought our CyberTruck on 30 September 2024 and installed FSD as soon as it was available. FSD was recently put in JAIL for one week for the first time ever. I believe it was due to the “Apply Slight Force To The Steering Wheel” messages and me applying to much force to the steering wheel on numerous occasions and FSD turning off. Before FSD was put in jail and when the “Apply Slight Force To The Steering Wheel” message would appear, we would have to stop/park, and both get out of the CT and get back in the CT to continue our trip with FSD. This was quite annoying as it was. But turning off FSD for one week is insane. How about one day instead of a week if we have to be penalized at all? Just having FSD turning off until the next park/drive should be enough of a penalty.

While FSD was in jail this week my 80-year-old wife fell and I had to take her to the Hospital for Xray/CT scans to be evaluated for injury. I couldn’t use FSD to drive us to the Hospital. We are using and relying on FSD more than ever and I did not appreciate the one week in jail penalty or the fact that I paid for LIFETIME FSD when we purchased a Foundation Series CT. Didn’t know that it came with one-week penalties.

We love our CT and feel truly blessed to own it at this stage in our lives.

Hoping that Tesla follows the forum and gets the message.

Also, would appreciate not getting negative feedback on using FSD. Just wanted to express my opinion.

I couldn’t agree with you more! It is an insult and absurd that a company can “take away” something that you paid for arbitrarily! We’ve had our FSD go crazy and flash red while sitting at a stop light on several occasions! Other times, I’ve had my hand resting on the yoke, but apparently it wasn’t enough “resistance” to satisfy FSD. I understand Tesla’s need for safety, but FSD Jail is NOT the way to handle it! Make the warnings more audible and visual, as many times, FSD disengages and we don’t even see the warnings!

 

[dalton108]

I think this is incorrect. Point me to any Tesla documenation that shows that.

What EXACTLY does the message say when you invoke FSD ... it says to keep your hands on the wheel at all time. Check the msg.

What EXACTLY does the CT manual say about using FSD ... it explicitly says to keep your hands on the wheel at all time. Just because the system is letting people get away with it does NOT mean it is not required per Tesla and people are making things up / misrepresenting what Tesla explicitly says *each* time FSD is started.

That’s language that has been there since I first got FSD on v10. It just isn’t applicable to v13. v13’s primary mode of operation is through visual monitoring. Yes, the warnings and manual need to be updated, but you only need to operate it to see how it works.

It’s vision based. If it thinks you’re distracted it asks you to put your hands on the steering wheel. Once it thinks that has your attention again, it goes back to being vision based. It turns on the green dot next to the blue steering wheel to let you know that it’s vision based. And if you force it to cycle through switching you over to torque based monitoring too many times, it shuts you down.

That’s exactly what OP has experienced and that’s exactly what’s happening. It’s a vision first system now. This has been the case since at least v12.5.

 

[bg002h]

I think this is incorrect. Point me to any Tesla documenation that shows that.

What EXACTLY does the message say when you invoke FSD ... it says to keep your hands on the wheel at all time. Check the msg.

What EXACTLY does the CT manual say about using FSD ... it explicitly says to keep your hands on the wheel at all time. Just because the system is letting people get away with it does NOT mean it is not required per Tesla and people are making things up / misrepresenting what Tesla explicitly says *each* time FSD is started.

The nanny state nonsense is probably a combination of “don’t sue us for your stupidity” and “self driving is a myth, we aren’t there yet.” I would like my CT more if it acted like my wife’s Honda minivan from 2017 as far as attention monitoring…it flashes a small warning on the screen that its lane assist feature will soon disengage and only issues an audible alert after a substantial delay from visual warning.

I often get false positives with CT thinking I’m not looking….usually while on a curved part of the road….attention means looking where CT wants you to look, not necessarily where a prudent driver must look for maximal safety.

 

[sgmorton]

I think the Nanny State is what we agree to when we accept the Beta test Message.

OP you accepted the terms of paying attention, the strikes and the jail when you accepted this version of the software. You also were made aware that the software was in Beta when you signed the contract before the sale. We all did!

For the record I think it's to sensitive when looking at the screen for a few seconds to set a map destination or change the music. For me it's about 5 seconds. IMO it shlould be 15ish. On the other hand coming from a 2016 MS where the nag was wheel jog every 30 seconds and you only get 3 strikes it's kinda awesome as is!!!!

 

[scottf200]

ASIDE

On the other hand coming from a 2016 MS where the nag was wheel jog every 30 seconds and you only get 3 strikes it's kinda awesome as is!!!!

I have a 2017 TMX (eg. no cabin camera) and love the way it works. I've learned how to manage that tension and don't get nagged often and get time to interact with the nav, etc.

 

[ted46]

Ed,
I exactly understand your position. I am 78 years old and this Cybertruck (Robot) is my first Tesla. My wife has been telling me for years exactly what the new truck has been telling me. I tend to wave my hands when I’m speaking. I am drawn to the screen to modify settings, radio stations, and the like. Full Self Driving scolded me, particularly during our first several-hour trip when it shut off FSD for the last 1/2 hour. I suddenly became responsible for the Cybertruck steering wheel, accelerator, and brake. WAKE UP time for me.
Now, a month later, I have only owned the truck for several months, I find that keeping my hands gently on the wheel, and eyes on the road is the way to go. I have become a better driver than I was before. Now I have the magnificent robot doing ’most’ of the driving. Navigation, steering, braking, and accelerating.
The edge cases, (mistakes it makes), are much easier to deal with because I am paying ATTENTION.
This vehicle is an amazing piece of technological gear.

We owners and users are very lucky to have this for our personal use.

Bottom line, don’t fight it, use the warnings as intended, to remind you to pay attention to the driving task. Make sure the FSD system(the robot) is behaving properly. It will mostly fulfill that task.

Hope your wife is Ok,

Sincerely
Ted

 

[REM]

Ed,
I exactly understand your position. I am 78 years old and this Cybertruck (Robot) is my first Tesla. My wife has been telling me for years exactly what the new truck has been telling me. I tend to wave my hands when I’m speaking. I am drawn to the screen to modify settings, radio stations, and the like. Full Self Driving scolded me, particularly during our first several-hour trip when it shut off FSD for the last 1/2 hour. I suddenly became responsible for the Cybertruck steering wheel, accelerator, and brake. WAKE UP time for me.
Now, a month later, I have only owned the truck for several months, I find that keeping my hands gently on the wheel, and eyes on the road is the way to go. I have become a better driver than I was before. Now I have the magnificent robot doing ’most’ of the driving. Navigation, steering, braking, and accelerating.
The edge cases, (mistakes it makes), are much easier to deal with because I am paying ATTENTION.
This vehicle is an amazing piece of technological gear.

We owners and users are very lucky to have this for our personal use.

Bottom line, don’t fight it, use the warnings as intended, to remind you to pay attention to the driving task. Make sure the FSD system(the robot) is behaving properly. It will mostly fulfill that task.

Hope your wife is Ok,

Sincerely
Ted

Great success story! I was just thinking the other day how FSD is probably the best way to condition people to drive safer. Teenage drivers will be so much better than their peers, even.

 

[CyberGus]

My wife has been telling me for years exactly what the new truck has been telling me.

So, is your wife happy that you’re now a better driver, or miffed that you didn’t listen to her sooner?

 

[JBee]

I'd like our M3P to stop doing emergency braking for false positive cars turning into other lanes on the road, even in the wrong direction. I wanted to see how often, and it did it four times in in just 10miles.

It's unusable in town on a two lane road, where traffic stops on the island in the middle of the road. I think it fails to recognise that the road is a dual carriageway, and thinks we're overtaking. So I always drive with my foot hovering over the accelerator pedal just in case.

Finding it hard to trigger a strike though.

 

[eswimm]

I have become a better driver than I was before.

Exactly this, most people aren't nearly as good of a driver as they think they are. They incorrectly correlate luck with skill when the reality is they simply haven't been faced with a significant event while they were driving distracted.

Being able to drive my '80 5-speed Audi 4000 with a phone on my shoulder, a Coke in my left hand, McD cheeseburger in my right, shifting with my elbow, steering with my left knee and clutching with my right foot was undoubtedly an impressive feat of skill, but it was purely luck that kept me out an accident. I'd have been entirely incapable of dealing with any unexpected event.

 

[Crissa]

Let’s see here. I can’t change radio stations w FSD as i take my eyes off the road for too long. So choices are pulling over to the side of the road or turning FSD off till I get a station I want Both are way more dangerous than having eyes off the road for 15-20 seconds w FSD on. Hmm. Seems Tesla is pushing us to a bad choice.

Dude, no, pulling off is not 'more dangerous' than traveling 15 seconds while not looking at the road. That's four football fields or about a quarter mile.

Please don't do that. That is not the purpose of Autopilot or FSD Supervised.

-Crissa

 

[cyberstocker]

Exactly this, most people aren't nearly as good of a driver as they think they are. They incorrectly correlate luck with skill when the reality is they simply haven't been faced with a significant event while they were driving distracted.

Being able to drive my '80 5-speed Audi 4000 with a phone on my shoulder, a Coke in my left hand, McD cheeseburger in my right, shifting with my elbow, steering with my left knee and clutching with my right foot was undoubtedly an impressive feat of skill, but it was purely luck that kept me out an accident. I'd have been entirely incapable of dealing with any unexpected event.

Elon showed me that I pretty much suck as a driver. Now I have cut down the amount of strikes cuz I love fsd

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