How Should FSD behave? Godfather of Self-Driving Cars (Sebastian Thrun) on “Polite” Self-Driving.

[hemiarch]

Oh man! Bookmarking this for later!

Yeah..he’s the shit

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[CyberGus]

One of my few FSD disengagements was yesterday, when FSD failed to merge over to the congested turn-lane in time. So it stayed in the travel lane, rolled up to the intersection, and put on the blinker to cut off the dozens of cars waiting in line. Dick move.

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

You should instead roll up on the right, sit there and wait your turn, using less fuel while waiting for the others to pass. Once you've passed, if there's room on the right, you should return to the right lane.


Actually no, if everyone drove that way then traffic would move more optimally and zipper because the right lane would have cars in it. So it would never do that.

I had this instance where there was a merge on the highway on I-5, and instead of using both lanes, all the cars piled into the left lane, leaving the right lane empty for more than a mile!

That doesn't speed up traffic, it makes it slower. So many times in my 700 mile trip the right lane was completely empty when cars were going different speeds.

Go towards the end, a few hundreds meters out, pace a space in the other lane, at the end: zipper in. When you get past the obstacle and a more right lane opens up? Fill it.

Plodding around - especially in the passing lane - only makes things slower. Same for yielding when it's not your turn.

-Crissa

PS, I kinda like Oregon's 'Keep Right Except When Passing' and they call the right lane the 'Slow Lane'. All three coastal states have laws against not yielding to faster traffic behind you. Those laws don't care if you're going the speed limit or not.

I agree with you but that is not how things work (on I-5 for example). There are signs everywhere (not just the anti-Newsome signs) telling slower traffic to stay right, but no one wants to be stuck behind a semi driving 65 mph so they stack up. Yes, they create their own traffic jam and I have no solution for that problem. What I think is wrong is to 'start' to do the right thing and then to change lanes at the last moment rather than to wait for the other cars in the left to finally pass the semi. I am not convinced that slowing down to 65 mph behind the semi and waiting for 'who knows how long' and then suddenly accelerating to the speed of the surrounding traffic is necessarily more efficient. It is certainly frustrating.

 

[hemiarch]

One of my few FSD disengagements was yesterday, when FSD failed to merge over the to congested turn-lane in time. So it stayed in the travel lane, rolled up to the intersection, and put on the blinker to cut off the dozens of cars waiting in line. Dick move.

That’s actually called a @dalton108 move. Potato potato.

 

[ABILISK]

I love me some @ABILISK but gentleman?
How are your table manners battery muncher?

Exceptional!

 

[ABILISK]

So that whole ticket quota end of the month thing really is just a rumor then. That's super nice of you and I agree, unless they are doing something really stupid people deserve a break.

It is and it isn’t at the same time. Theres no number I have to meet, but I also have to justify my existence. I’m a city guy, so I have 911 calls to respond to in addition to traffic stops and that shows my bosses I’m actually working. Sheriffs and Troopers are typically all about traffic stops and accidents. They don’t have a quota either, but still have to justify their existence. They simply can’t turn in an activity report with no tickets day after day, week after week. Their bosses would be like “well you’re out there doing nothing. You’re fired.”

 

[hemiarch]

It is and it isn’t at the same time. Theres no number I have to meet, but I also have to justify my existence. I’m a city guy, so I have 911 calls to respond to in addition to traffic stops and that shows my bosses I’m actually working. Sheriffs and Troopers are typically all about traffic stops and accidents. They don’t have a quota either, but still have to justify their existence. They simply can’t turn in an activity report with no tickets day after day, week after week. Their bosses would be like “well you’re out there doing nothing. You’re fired.”

That’s interesting. Same in my field. I have zero control over what comes through the door on any given night, but there is still an expected billing level and if I’m not roughly in line with my colleagues over a period of time, that’s a flag.

 

[ABILISK]

That’s interesting. Same in my field. I have zero control over what comes through the door on any given night, but there is still an expected billing level and if I’m not roughly in line with my colleagues over a period of time, that’s a flag.

Wow that’s crazy. ERs can only react to the patients coming in. If you’re short one month, are you supposed to go pickup a bunch of homeless people and fix them? Seriously, the world has gotten stupid.

 

[hemiarch]

Wow that’s crazy. ERs can only react to the patients coming in. If you’re short one month, are you supposed to go pickup a bunch of homeless people and fix them? Seriously, the world has gotten stupid.

Yeah. In my field there are people who make a living doing the work and then there are people who make a living managing, studying, financing, planning, negotiating etc the work.
Those people need metrics/data to justify getting a salary.
if you detect a tone of resentment there, it’s probably because I’m too transparent and not because of your well honed detective skills.
Don’t get me wrong, those people are important for the system as a whole but it’s hard not to get jaded when you’re being “assessed” by people who couldn’t possibly do your job.

 

[Cybertrock]

Maybe go out and stab a few people when it gets slow

 

[hemiarch]

Maybe go out and stab a few people when it gets slow

That’s why I bought the Cybertruck. so I could plough them down and generate some business.
What I really need them to develop for me software-wise is a feature where I can mark the targets blue like in auto park and let FSD do the work.

 

[ABILISK]

That’s why I bought the Cybertruck. so I could plough them down and generate some business.
What I really need them to develop for me software-wise is a feature where I can mark the targets blue like in auto park and let FSD do the work.

Bluey/Happy Tree Friends collab?

 

[REM]

I have no issue with anyone (myself included) driving assertively, and even aggressively, when called for. I also have no issue with the speed people drive at as long as it doesn't put anyone/anything at risk. I think that the examples you gave are valid ones too.

The scenarios I have been complaining about are really about road etiquette. When you are on the highway and there is a line of cars trying to pass a semi, I consider it bad etiquette to drive up past all of those cars on the right, right behind the semi, and the force your way into the line. FSD has done that in the past. If everyone drove that way then traffic would come to a stand still. If you are driving in the slow lane (the one used for slower cars or for cars entering or exiting the highway), and you see that a car is entering the highway, I would consider it poor etiquette to not change lanes if I can predict that the oncoming car and mine might be close to each other, as long as it doesn't disrupt traffic. Is it the obligation of the merging vehicle to merge? Absolutely. Will they? Maybe. If you know that you are going to exit the highway in 2 miles, does it make sense to be passing a semi and then going around it just in time to exit? It may be legal, and it may even be safe, but the world will label you a dick for doing it. My FSD did it 3 times before I realized that its threshold is 2 miles. None of these situations interfere with your being either assertive or aggressive. What pissed me off is that Tesla has engineered FSD profiles to be aggressive in lieu of being reasonable.

I did watch the video and I have no issue with self driving cars having to be assertive to keep things running properly. There are altogether too many times that FSD comes to an empty intersection and just sits there. That is entirely different than what I am critical of.

Politeness is definitely something I want to see Tesla start enhancing.

 

[hemiarch]

Politeness is definitely something I want to see Tesla start enhancing.

Change your walkaway lock sound to “good day to you sir”

 

[REM]

Change your walkaway lock sound to “good day to you sir”

Traditionally I sport the Windows XP shutdown

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