If Quad Motor Cybertruck is $89,900, are you still in?

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What we all share is the excruciating pain of the wait, no matter what our particular situation is.
I've turned around the pain into pleasure. Now it's a lot more fun.

My dad would do the same thing with lottery tickets. He would buy them and then not check his numbers. I would ask him if he was going to check the numbers to see if he had won millions. But he would say, "no, the anticipation is the fun part. You see, right now I know I could be holding a ticket worth millions of dollars, if I check them I'll probably learn there's no winner which would ruin the fun prematurely."

I do the same with the Cybertruck. Rather than lamenting I don't have it yet, I dream about what it will be like to get it! I know it's not nearly as good as getting it, but at least I have something big to look forward to!

Think positively, it's more fun that way!
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Nope. That is running over $130,000 CDN with taxes... (and thats before any extra stuff, like installing a home charger and any add on stuff). That's crazy level cash.... not for a daily truck. I'll get a Lightning for 1/2 the price.
I'm not sure what truck you are discussing for $130K Canadian. At first I thought it was the GMC Hummer but then I realized the Hummer costs a lot more than that! :ROFLMAO:
 
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Not relevaant to me because I ordered a quad.

But I'm into cooking Tesla in their own lard. So If I make more money on Tesla stock to be able to afford it, why not? :unsure:
 

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Don’t worry about the price of a Cybertruck for the first five years after being debuted in 2023. It won’t depreciated at all.
I've turned around the pain into pleasure. Now it's a lot more fun.

My dad would do the same thing with lottery tickets. He would buy them and then not check his numbers. I would ask him if he was going to check the numbers to see if he had won millions. But he would say, "no, the anticipation is the fun part. You see, right now I know I could be holding a ticket worth millions of dollars, if I check them I'll probably learn there's no winner which would ruin the fun prematurely."

I do the same with the Cybertruck. Rather than lamenting I don't have it yet, I dream about what it will be like to get it! I know it's not nearly as good as getting it, but at least I have something big to look forward to!

Think positively, it's more fun that way!
Good attitude. This whole process was filled with uncertainty about timing from the start.
 

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I don't want to remain in fantasy land. I want to be educated on the things you seem to inherently know that I do not.

Before you laugh at me and the final pricing release you should probably re-read what I've said and the questions I've asked, because I think you're inferring some things that are not true.

In the mean time, if you post something related to pricing of the CT please try to avoid the wild speculation. I'm going to continue to push back against illogical pricing speculation like...the single motor was $39k w/250+mi range, the Dual $49k w/350+mi range, the Tri $69k w/500+mi range so the quad motor CT with no stated expected increase in range over 500 miles must be over the six $ figure mark. How does that make sense?

Even if you include a 20% material inflation cost the logic does not follow that price guess. I'll explain why, opposed just posting random crap. It doesn't make sense to me because I assume material cost make up about 50% of the manufacturing cost. So a 20% material cost increase equals about a 10% increase to build the truck. As a publicly traded company we can look up Tesla's gross profits per vehicle. They average about 30%. So if they were willing to sell the CTs for $39.9k, $49.9k, $69.9k and I assume still get their avg 30% profit, then the vehicles were costing them about $28k, $35k, and $49k to manufacture. (I believe this logic is a little flawed because typically higher priced vehicles have higher profit margins.). Taking into account the 10% additional costs due to your stated 20% increase in material costs, the new inflation adjusted cost to manufacture would be about $31k, $39k and $54k. Add their 30% profit margin to that and you get $40.3k, $50.7k, and $70.2k. AND THIS STILL ASSUMES THEY DID NOT ACCOUNT FOR ANY INFLATION AT ALL WHEN THEY RELEASED THE PRICING IN 2019...which I believe they would have. It also assumes they intended on make a profit with the CTs which I think is a fair assumption. But lets assume 0 profit margin and the cost to manufacture was the pricing they released. Again taking into account the 10% additional costs due to your stated 20% increase in material costs, the new inflation adjusted pricing would be about $44k, $55k and $77k. An increase of $5k, $6k and $7k respectively AGAIN, THIS STILL ASSUMES THEY DID NOT ACCOUNT FOR ANY INFLATION AT ALL WHEN THEY RELEASED THE PRICING IN 2019.

Now we have to add another motor and 4W steering to our worst case with bad assumptions $77k CT3. The CT1 to CT2 pricing was $10k difference but also included 100 more miles of range. CT2 to CT3 was a $20k difference but it added another 150 miles of range. I also assume some of this $20k vs $10k price increase for the CT3 was because the CT3 was their high end model at the time (maybe more frills, signature stitching, maybe 4W steer was already planned for the CT3...I don't know, neither do you.). Notice each motor variant included more range. Given this information, the logic would follow that a CT4 would have more range, but we've heard nothing from Tesla about more then 500 miles of range. So how much more can they charge for a vehicle that gets equal range, but now has 4 motors and 4W steering? Does the tri-motor have 4W steering for $69k? We don't know. If the CT3 does have 4W steering and the CT4 does not have more then 500 miles of range then we're basically getting the same truck, but one has 4 motors and one has 3. Maybe the CT is also slightly quicker. (Ludicrous mode was a $10k upgrade from Tesla) This does not come close to supporting a $100+k price you suggested. If the CT3 does not have 4W steering, and 4W steering is only available in the quad motor variant then your are saying that feature is worth somewhere between $23k to $30+k (still assuming the 500 mile range). I don't think that 1 feature is worth 1/3 the price of the vehicle.

If you don't answer questions and don't provide some level of detailed logic tree for how you came up with your WAG of pricing I will continue to press for answers, ask questions, and on occasion post equally wildly but sarcastic speculation of my own...like, it makes perfect sense that Tesla actually wants to take a loss on their CTs because they know the trucks are what really makes the difference in grabbing the hearts and minds of American polluters. It's all about the cause, not the cost to Tesla. So I expect the CT4 to replace the CT3 and it's actually only going to be $48k. It's totally going to be worth the wait at that price!

(Edited... Luda out Ludi in...though I do think Luda mode is equally worth the $10k upgrade)
 
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I agree with lancethibault completely.. although I subscribe to the idea of they will stick to the original pricing, and if quad is additional trim on top of the other three.. it would still be no higher than 90k.. cause it would really really piss off Hummer, Rivian, Ford and all the other incoming EV truck manufacturers, plus.. their goal is to completely take over the truck market... not just get by with happy margins on average level truck market share. 30% margins on each vehicle is so big, you can basically say F you to the other manufacturers by doing this in order to demolish the market share.

I go even so far as to subscribe to this wild idea that there will only be two models.. dual and quad. And both models will have quad motors, dual just requiring a paid upgrade to unlock the additional potential. Said it before... it would drive their manufacturing costs waaaaaaaay down with the additional motors and one standard sized battery pack pre installed on every single vehicle for multiple reasons.. parts become that much cheaper when you are tripling/quadrupling your parts generation, one line all the same build no variants is cheaper.. and the third biggest reason.. tesla be swimming in a pile of additional post-purchase income for years maybe even decades after the initial purchase from people like me who can't afford the big chunk up front but would absolutely throw down an additional 10-20k 4 or 5 years later when the initial purchase is paid for to get essentially a new/increased performance out of the same vehicle.


But, I'd just like to point out:

(Ludacris mode was a $10k upgrade from Tesla)
A Ludacris mode would be f'n hilarious! 😂

Tesla Cybertruck If Quad Motor Cybertruck is $89,900, are you still in? HD-wallpaper-ludacris-actor-songwriter-movies-singer


I imagine you'd press the Ludacris mode button.. and this song would come on.. while the air suspension would make the CT bounce like a low rider. Might even pay extra for that!

 
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The Tesla sales contract stipulates that the purchase is made in good faith and is not for resale.

While they cannot stop you selling your property, they can (and have) punished this behavior by cancelling existing orders and even issuing lifetime bans of future purchases.
you can ban car buyers but not house buyers....just because you dont like what they are doing with their purchase or who the buyers is or whondhe rents to shouldn't be any of your business......it doesn't necessarily mean it's legal, especially if they pay the asking price.......
 

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you can ban car buyers but not house buyers....just because you dont like what they are doing with their purchase or who the buyers is or whondhe rents to shouldn't be any of your business......it doesn't necessarily mean it's legal, especially if they pay the asking price.......
Tesla has a unique problem with resales. Their direct-sales model requires that they have no dealerships in a given State, and someone buying with the intent of reselling could be legally defined as a dealer.
 

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I picked dual motor because my critical use case is off road. Given 4wd, lighter is better. Trimotor has heavier battery and motor. I am not power constrained doing constant 8 mph over rocks.
4 motor could be worse due to more weight, or much better due to 4 wheel torque vectoring. Add in 4 wheel steering and there are many new unknowns.
I would be very tempted to upgrade from 2 to 4 motors, but I would really want an off road test drive to know for sure.
If the upgrade path were offered without losing my place in line, but no test drive possible, the early reviews of 4 motor off road prowess would weigh very heavily in that decision.
 

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you can ban car buyers but not house buyers....just because you dont like what they are doing with their purchase or who the buyers is or whondhe rents to shouldn't be any of your business......it doesn't necessarily mean it's legal, especially if they pay the asking price.......
You can refuse house buyers and renters. But be prepared to defend your reasons.

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I picked dual motor because my critical use case is off road. Given 4wd, lighter is better. Trimotor has heavier battery and motor. I am not power constrained doing constant 8 mph over rocks.
4 motor could be worse due to more weight, or much better due to 4 wheel torque vectoring. Add in 4 wheel steering and there are many new unknowns.
I would be very tempted to upgrade from 2 to 4 motors, but I would really want an off road test drive to know for sure.
If the upgrade path were offered without losing my place in line, but no test drive possible, the early reviews of 4 motor off road prowess would weigh very heavily in that decision.
I have a similar conundrum. I would like to do a bit of off-roading, but for I’m less worried about which has the best off-road performance and more worried about range. Unfortunately the only way you can really determine if your vehicle has enough range is to own it for a bit. I go off the beaten track often enough where I am often spending days at a time away from power.

The dual motor with solar would be smashingly good for me, otherwise I’ll end up getting the higher capacity truck just so I can go to the places I want to be.
 

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Yep I’m in. I’m addicted. I just wish Elon would stop shittin around with twitter and get my friggin truck done!!!! Yeah yeah he’s a multitasker, right. And it’s been proven multitaskers do lots of things but not that well! Where’s my truck? My daily driver work truck(08 F-350)has 260k on it, holes in the bed and I’m not optimistic about 2 more years. Come on Man. Well he asked for the truth.
 

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Yep I’m in. I’m addicted. I just wish Elon would stop shittin around with twitter and get my friggin truck done!!!! Yeah yeah he’s a multitasker, right. And it’s been proven multitaskers do lots of things but not that well! Where’s my truck? My daily driver work truck(08 F-350)has 260k on it, holes in the bed and I’m not optimistic about 2 more years. Come on Man. Well he asked for the truth.
I'm not sure what he can do to dial in the battery factory and the Model-Y assembly line.

It may be at this point he's waiting for more big decisions to do while the engineers are hard at work, leaving him with too much time on his hands.

Well, anything to give him time to realize his social skills are atrophied and not relevant to a large thing like Twitter.

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This question is mainly for $69,990 Tri Motor reservation holders.

Hypothetical question here. Some industry experts are estimating that the base Quad Motor Cybertruck may start at $89,900 + $1200 destination fee ($91,100 total).

Tri Motor reservation holders, are you still in?

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Yes. Quad motor will probably have longer range, a few more capabilities.
 

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... more worried about range. ... I go off the beaten track often enough where I am often spending days at a time away from power.

The dual motor with solar would be smashingly good for me, otherwise I’ll end up getting the higher capacity truck just so I can go to the places I want to be.
Having lots of battery power for days at a time off grid could be a back country game changer. Perhaps a smallish battery, always attached, would provide light weight and high ground clearance, but an "auxiliary slice" bolt on undertray battery would satisfy expedition needs and double as a home power wall on a lift platform built in the garage floor.
It opens up expedition possibilities where auxiliary slices are left at solar charging depots along the route.

You drive up in a mode which
consolidates remaining charge into the permanent onboard battery.
Plug in to depot solar charger which analyzes health of your auxiliary battery relative to others available for swap.
The depot is connected by Starlink for processing accounts.
You are presented with offers to either credit or debit your account for the various swap options available.
Get money back if you are dropping a newer battery in exchange for an old one, or not taking on a swap. Pay for charging or swapping otherwise.

Perhaps the swap depot has customers waiting which cannot be readily serviced by the solar charger capacity or battery packs on site. You can transfer some of your charge to the waiting customers in exchange for a negotiated fee to you and a service fee to the depot for facilitating the transfer.
Imagine if one could carry 2 or 3 slices in the bed of a Cybertruck. Entrepreneurs would keep the depots stocked with slices during tourist season. Earning profit by picking up cheap packs at depots with a surplus and delivering to high priced depots with a shortage.

Drop or pickup slice as necessary.
Connect depot solar charger to dropped battery.
Go on your merry way.

Maybe that should have been a new thread.
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