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Electrical Engineering is really complicated.
Yes, they've been talking about it for two years though and the hardware involved is a known quantity. If they can do it they should be able to do it. Not sure what they're trying to figure out. If it's a safety thing, then I'm fine with an arduous manual process, to get power out of the vehicle.
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Interesting comment. I figured that Ford had the backup system all worked out. Makes me want to know more about that.
I had my Ford bidirectional system removed. Can’t discuss due to NDA but it was epic. Google will reveal all. Ford is starting over now with a complete reengineering.
 

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Yes, they've been talking about it for two years though and the hardware involved is a known quantity. If they can do it they should be able to do it. Not sure what they're trying to figure out. If it's a safety thing, then I'm fine with an arduous manual process, to get power out of the vehicle.
The hardware is known, but none of it was designed with this function in mind. Powerwall wasn't designed to have an additional vehicle battery sometimes supply power to its system, and Powershare was fairly straight forward in terms of having power flow from the battery to a demand.

There is clearly complexity with having so many power sources in one system, and there are strict regulations to make sure you're not causing problems to the greater grid.
 
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The hardware is known, but none of it was designed with this function in mind. Powerwall wasn't designed to have an additional vehicle battery sometimes supply power to its system, and Powershare was fairly straight forward in terms of having power flow from the battery to a demand.

There is clearly complexity with having so many power sources in one system, and there are strict regulations to make sure you're not causing problems to the greater grid.
We'll never know the internal details for sure but the Gateway 3 and the Powerwall 3 came out around the same time and all of this was in mind at the time. Again, they've had two years to see what all the ins and outs of the known devices involved are and they believe they can do it but they're still tweaking(?) something. If they're having to waste months and months on regulatory buy in, I can see that but they should know whether it can work or not by now and with which connector.

The grater grid is not involved because (I think?) their disconnecting utility power before back feeding into the house or Powerwall. Maybe they have something else in mind. Fill the Powerwall with electricity from, solar, utility power or an EV that should be similar to utility power with the backup switch disconnecting the property from utility power first.

They mention EV connectors and they require the universal connector for the gateway v3 with Powershare. I'm not sure what's special about it versus the regular one and why they believe the Powerwall 3 can use either but maybe they'll need yet another EV connector to be able to make it work. After two years they should kind of know what the deal is and maybe that's where they're at and now they're trying to get it approved?
 

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Yes, they've been talking about it for two years though and the hardware involved is a known quantity. If they can do it they should be able to do it. Not sure what they're trying to figure out. If it's a safety thing, then I'm fine with an arduous manual process, to get power out of the vehicle.
I too wonder what is making it so difficult. Another commenter indicated it’s getting priority arranged between the grid, solar, PowerWalls and the CT, along with various generations of hardware, etc.
I can imagine that would be very tricky.
You might be aware that there is a “manual” process using the 240v outlet in the bed as has been discussed elsewhere in this forum. If you have a transfer switch and proper connector cable, you can supply power to your house the same way you would with a generator. It works for me, and makes the wait for a fully automatic system easier. Also, as I think you suggest, a simple setup using the wall connector and charge port would be a nice intermediate solution.
 


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We'll never know the internal details for sure but the Gateway 3 and the Powerwall 3 came out around the same time and all of this was in mind at the time. Again, they've had two years to see what all the ins and outs of the known devices involved are and they believe they can do it but they're still tweaking(?) something. If they're having to waste months and months on regulatory buy in, I can see that but they should know whether it can work or not by now and with which connector.

The grater grid is not involved because (I think?) their disconnecting utility power before back feeding into the house or Powerwall. Maybe they have something else in mind. Fill the Powerwall with electricity from, solar, utility power or an EV that should be similar to utility power with the backup switch disconnecting the property from utility power first.

They mention EV connectors and they require the universal connector for the gateway v3 with Powershare. I'm not sure what's special about it versus the regular one and why they believe the Powerwall 3 can use either but maybe they'll need yet another EV connector to be able to make it work. After two years they should kind of know what the deal is and maybe that's where they're at and now they're trying to get it approved?
You're making assumptions that something should be able to be done in a given timeframe without any knowledge about what is involved in completing the task. I don't have a full understanding of the job, but I know enough to know it's very complex.

I also know that if anyone can make this happen better and faster than anyone else, it's Tesla. So if it's not ready yet, it's because it's impossible to get it ready any faster.
 

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You're making assumptions that something should be able to be done in a given timeframe without any knowledge about what is involved in completing the task. I don't have a full understanding of the job, but I know enough to know it's very complex.

I also know that if anyone can make this happen better and faster than anyone else, it's Tesla. So if it's not ready yet, it's because it's impossible to get it ready any faster.
I understand your point, but you might be taking it to the other extreme here. It cannot be that it is impossible to get Powershare+Powerwall+Solar ready any faster than this - it's been promised for roughly 2 years now, from what I understand. If you threw enough money and engineers at the problem, I can't imagine it would take more than a few months to solve the problem at the very most, regardless of complexity, especially considering that it's long been acknowledged to be just a software issue.

I can give Tesla the benefit of the doubt and say that, considering reasonable resource constraints and other priorities (e.g., FSD, robotaxi, and other programs that are much more impactful), this hasn't gotten the attention it would need to get done any faster than it has been.
 

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I understand your point, but you might be taking it to the other extreme here. It cannot be that it is impossible to get Powershare+Powerwall+Solar ready any faster than this - it's been promised for roughly 2 years now, from what I understand. If you threw enough money and engineers at the problem, I can't imagine it would take more than a few months to solve the problem at the very most, regardless of complexity, especially considering that it's long been acknowledged to be just a software issue.

I can give Tesla the benefit of the doubt and say that, considering reasonable resource constraints and other priorities (e.g., FSD, robotaxi, and other programs that are much more impactful), this hasn't gotten the attention it would need to get done any faster than it has been.
You're assuming it should only take a few months, but you have no idea what the problem is. How un-scientific of you.
 
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You're assuming it should only take a few months, but you have no idea what the problem is. How un-scientific of you.
It's not that complicated, the issue has been described as they said and it's been a few years not a few months. They are familiar with the ins and outs of all the hardware involved and so far are saying the hardware will not change. They have it working with a Gateway v3. They are not changing how the hardware works but what can do what and when. Its more likely that no one was really working on it and now they are refocusing to put more people on it and get it done in the next 6 to 12 months. They can decide again to put folks on different things and derate the priority again in 6 months.
 

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As somebody that used to have the Ford/SunRun home backup system… Delays sure are dissapointing, but at least not 14k - 20k installed dissapointing when it doesn’t work. The bluetooth module doesn’t connect with the cars bluetooth module due to it being far away on passenger rear in the lightning. There is no comm from the charging port like powershare on CT.

That being said, I now have a powershare over a 3V module. It’s connected to my existing solar setup (EG4 inverters and batteries) so that when those run out of juice with my thresholds set the Cybertruck kicks on and supplements power instead. I self installed the powershare 3V box and universal wall connector and had no issues.
 


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It's not that complicated, the issue has been described as they said and it's been a few years not a few months. They are familiar with the ins and outs of all the hardware involved and so far are saying the hardware will not change. They have it working with a Gateway v3. They are not changing how the hardware works but what can do what and when. Its more likely that no one was really working on it and now they are refocusing to put more people on it and get it done in the next 6 to 12 months. They can decide again to put folks on different things and derate the priority again in 6 months.
Maybe you can just draw up a little plan for them and have in done in half that time! Since, of course, you clearly have an understanding of it and it's not that complicated.
 

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hey guys. if i have solar and no powerwall backup, will this work for me?

i currently have the wall connector and i purchased a gateway 3v. if i get the 3v installed can i use the CT to backup my home in case i have a power outage? i do not plan on getting a backup powerwall battery. thanks!!
 

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Yes. The problem is using PowerShare with PowerWalls.
 

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Tesla's engineers should study the Enphase Microinverters.. They require a stable 240V for 5 minutes, before they will start outputing power (when grid tied) If they can get the powerwalls communicating with the Cybertruck and the various gateway versions, they should be able to negotiate who will be the "controller", generating the 240V, and who will follow the protocol and start producing power after the 5 minutes of stability. Of course with the truck, theres the added complication of is it supplying power, or are you trying to charge it? that's what the communications could negotiate.

Also, thinking about the issue, the Cybertruck can supply 11.5KW of power (same as the powerwall), however, it has a 123KW battery, so can supply it for much longer, so perhaps they can use the Cybertruck as the supplier of the 240V and let the powerwalls supply additional power, if needed, as they have much lower storage capacity. They would also want a "SOC" limit cut off on the Cybertruck, so it isn't drained down to nothing, maybe a %20 low SOC limit

it is a complex issue, and we are certainly not going to solve it here :)
 

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It's not that complicated, the issue has been described as they said and it's been a few years not a few months. They are familiar with the ins and outs of all the hardware involved and so far are saying the hardware will not change. They have it working with a Gateway v3. They are not changing how the hardware works but what can do what and when. Its more likely that no one was really working on it and now they are refocusing to put more people on it and get it done in the next 6 to 12 months. They can decide again to put folks on different things and derate the priority again in 6 months.
I suspect the issue is resource commitment and priorities. It’s pretty tough to commit the best engineers to something where the total installed base is POTENTIALLY 50,000 existing trucks that are selling 1,000 units per month. In reality the ultimate audience for the integrated product is likely fewer than 5,000 customers (assuming 5% of CT owners will do bidirectional installations, which may be generous).

This is geek-level stuff and ties buyers into a proprietary ecosystem forever, with no alternative vehicle use option, even with the Tesla fleet of choices. I admit going down this path eyes-open on the delay potential, and shame on me given the history of Tesla’s promises and delays, and my former Ford/Sunrun debacle that had to ultimately be removed after a year of hard work on Ford’s part to get it operating.


I’m still in wait-and-see mode, but acknowledge that even if/when operating, it is pretty much folly in the end, done mostly for the cool factor. The grid is pretty darn reliable - there has been no instance of even a few hours down time at either of my homes over the the past 20 years, but I guess we’re all preppers these days.
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