Promised range of 500 miles ?

[Jack27]

But that’s all I keep saying! I’m not putting any value judgment on it- saying it’s some kind of unforgivable sin. It’s just what happened.

I feel like people want to avoid stating/acknowledging what’s true because they don’t like the >>implication<< and that’s the part that I dislike.

Accept the truth, reject the false narrative derived from it!

O I will gladly admit it happen but I won’t agree with the whiners that “he promised them $50k truck and 500 miles”’ok he said that it didn’t happen what’s there case ? They were entitled to it because he said it? Things changed such as life. I don’t see that as a character flaw unless it’s continuous and he delivers nothing and takes money. Had you dropped 120k and then found out your truck didn’t have that range you then have a case

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[dalton108]

O I will gladly admit it happen but I won’t agree with the whiners that “he promised them $50k truck and 500 miles”’ok he said that it didn’t happen what’s there case ? They were entitled to it because he said it? Things changed such as life. I don’t see that as a character flaw unless it’s continuous and he delivers nothing and takes money. Had you dropped 120k and then found out your truck didn’t have that range you then have a case

Oh, I see what’s happening here. Yeah you’ll notice I never mentioned the 500 miles in conjuncture with the $50,000 price. That’s fucking crazy talk!

If what everybody has been doing is reading that price point into my argument, then now you seem less crazy to me - but, that’s not an argument that I’ve ever made.

As soon as COVID hit and inflation ballooned those price points were dead and there was not a damn thing that Tesla could do about that.

 

[Jack27]

Oh, I see what’s happening here. Yeah you’ll notice I never mentioned the 500 miles in conjuncture with the $50,000 price. That’s fucking crazy talk!

If what everybody has been doing is reading that price point into my argument, then now you seem less crazy to me - but, that’s not a argument that I’ve ever made.

As soon as COVID hit and inflation happened those price points were dead and there was not a damn thing that Tesla could do about that.

Yes , for me it’s the same thing, it’s hard to separate, this sense of entitlement people seem to have these days “well he said this I deserve it he promised” he don’t know you he doesn’t owe you

 

[CyberDogeGuy]

lol. Had to jump in and post because of all the faulty fanboy logic about why people don’t need a 500 mile range battery. I’ll keep it simple. Illinois winters + 320 mile battery range = 150 mile actual range. Add heat and snow traffic and facing a real nail biter and crapping your pants hoping to get home safely. You all do remember last year all over the news when Teslas were dead all over the chicago roadways?

So the argument for a 500 mile range battery is not an edge case for some unlucky schmuck that needs to tow or some mythical super distance round trip every day. The real argument for 500 mile range is because 320 is the myth. It’s not real life, not even close to support the average daily commuter in the winter.

Fact: My car will spend 100 miles of range for a 52 mile commute to the office. It will lose another 100 miles of range sitting in the parking lot at 0 degrees for 8 hours. Now I have 120 miles of range, give or take, left to make my 52 mile commute back home in rush hour traffic, sometimes 2 hours. So no, I don’t need a 500 mile range battery to drive 500 miles. I need a 500 mile battery to ENSURE I have a safe buffer of 250 miles of ACTUAL range in freezing cold, hazardous, or long traffic jam winter conditions. (Me and the other 200 thousand DAILY commuters that take the I-355 tollway every day).

*Here come the dudes with the calculators and the expertise on battery conditioning features, and advice on charging in the office parking lot, and pointing out that its only zero degrees 30 times per year, etc. Save it please. All i’m saying is stop with the “nobody needs 500 miles of range” deception, when EVERY SINGLE PERSON in the midwest require more than 200 ACTUAL miles worth of range.

And THAT is where the argument begins and ends. That is also why my Cybertruck has yet to be configured.

 

[Jack27]

lol. Had to jump in and post because of all the faulty fanboy logic about why people don’t need a 500 mile range battery. I’ll keep it simple. Illinois winters + 320 mile battery range = 150 mile actual range. Add heat and snow traffic and facing a real nail biter and crapping your pants hoping to get home safely. You all do remember last year all over the news when Teslas were dead all over the chicago roadways?

So the argument for a 500 mile range battery is not an edge case for some unlucky schmuck that needs to tow or some mythical super distance round trip every day. The real argument for 500 mile range is because 320 is the myth. It’s not real life, not even close to support the average daily commuter in the winter.

Fact: My car will spend 100 miles of range for a 52 mile commute to the office. It will lose another 100 miles of range sitting in the parking lot at 0 degrees for 8 hours. Now I have 120 miles of range, give or take, left to make my 52 mile commute back home in rush hour traffic, sometimes 2 hours. So no, I don’t need a 500 mile range battery to drive 500 miles. I need a 500 mile battery to ENSURE I have a safe buffer of 250 miles of ACTUAL range in freezing cold, hazardous, or long traffic jam winter conditions. (Me and the other 200 thousand DAILY commuters that take the I-355 tollway every day).

*Here come the dudes with the calculators and the expertise on battery conditioning features, and advice on charging in the office parking lot, and pointing out that its only zero degrees 30 times per year, etc. Save it please. All i’m saying is stop with the “nobody needs 500 miles of range” deception, when EVERY SINGLE PERSON in the midwest require more than 200 ACTUAL miles worth of range.

And THAT is where the argument begins and ends. That is also why my Cybertruck has yet to be configured.

If “your cyber truck” hasn’t been configured then you don’t have a cyber truck you
There isn’t an argument that it wouldn't be great to have of course it would ! the argument is “he promised”. Your post was good till the fan boy comment ,

I find it funny the “gotcha” word is “fan boy”. If you agree with Elon you’re a fan boy if you like your truck to a non Tesla person you’re a fan boy if you don’t agree with your opposite view you’re a fan boy , if you like Elon musk you’re a fan boy , YOU BETTER AGREE WITH ME or you’re a fan boy! It’s like 6th grade sht. It’s really lame, time to grow up guys

 

[cybercricket]

lol. Had to jump in and post because of all the faulty fanboy logic about why people don’t need a 500 mile range battery. I’ll keep it simple. Illinois winters + 320 mile battery range = 150 mile actual range. Add heat and snow traffic and facing a real nail biter and crapping your pants hoping to get home safely. You all do remember last year all over the news when Teslas were dead all over the chicago roadways?

So the argument for a 500 mile range battery is not an edge case for some unlucky schmuck that needs to tow or some mythical super distance round trip every day. The real argument for 500 mile range is because 320 is the myth. It’s not real life, not even close to support the average daily commuter in the winter.

Fact: My car will spend 100 miles of range for a 52 mile commute to the office. It will lose another 100 miles of range sitting in the parking lot at 0 degrees for 8 hours. Now I have 120 miles of range, give or take, left to make my 52 mile commute back home in rush hour traffic, sometimes 2 hours. So no, I don’t need a 500 mile range battery to drive 500 miles. I need a 500 mile battery to ENSURE I have a safe buffer of 250 miles of ACTUAL range in freezing cold, hazardous, or long traffic jam winter conditions. (Me and the other 200 thousand DAILY commuters that take the I-355 tollway every day).

*Here come the dudes with the calculators and the expertise on battery conditioning features, and advice on charging in the office parking lot, and pointing out that its only zero degrees 30 times per year, etc. Save it please. All i’m saying is stop with the “nobody needs 500 miles of range” deception, when EVERY SINGLE PERSON in the midwest require more than 200 ACTUAL miles worth of range.

And THAT is where the argument begins and ends. That is also why my Cybertruck has yet to be configured.

Makes you wonder what those damn Norwegians are doing with all those Teslas they've been buying over the years.

Serious question - do you really need to keep the battery warm on its own power for 8 hours ? You can't just schedule a precondition say an hour prior to departure ?

 

[Crissa]

Dalton just Steph Curried you, in a message board. Way to go, Dalton!

No. He was just flat wrong.

If I can do it in a ten year old Mazda 3 without awd... and most people don't even go as far as I do.

more than that Inflation, pandemic,-every year money loses it's purchasing power-people should stop whining looking back-it won't do any good.

No. Those aren't affecting egg prices appreciably. If they are, it's due to profit-taking by your local grocer or supplier.

Remember, if they can blame something and raise their profits, they will - always keep the heat on by avoiding then when they raise prices.

To my knowledge dry electrode process doesn't impact the cell density, only the rate of production and cost. So the range reduction is either a product of physical dimension changes limiting the size of the battery pack, or like I said earlier it was an optimistic expectation that the cell chemistry will improve within a few years which didn't happen.

The 4680 dry method while it skips needing big evaporators - it isn't as robust or evolved chemistry, which is why it's a step back in energy density. It's five years (or more) behind the 2170 cell in that regard. But skipping capital requirements means eventually the machines can spit out more kWh per sqft and minute of 4680 operation than 2170.

-Crissa

 

[JudgeMetal]

Sadly, I think we are still a few years/technology away from 500. However, add on solar like GoSun might be a solid assistance until then.

That’ll work great in northern Canada.

 

[nevetsyad]

Link to where Tesla promised 500 miles of range please?

I am certainly hoping Tesla will get the range up near the 500 miles. The cold winters in northern Canada requires it before ownership is practical.

 

[DrPhyzx]

Link to where Tesla promised 500 miles of range please?

I don't know what's up with the "promised". The statement made doesn't indicate they think they were "promised" or "entitled to" 500 miles, any more than Tesla was "promised" or "entitled to" his money. They said they hope that 500 miles will be available....

 

[nevetsyad]

Please read the title of this tread.

Promised range of 500 miles ?

I don't know what's up with the "promised". The statement made doesn't indicate they think they were "promised" or "entitled to" 500 miles, any more than Tesla was "promised" or "entitled to" his money. They said they hope that 500 miles will be available....

 

[rudedawg78]

Link to where Tesla promised 500 miles of range please?

At the initial reveal, the tri-motor was advertised to have 500+ miles of range.

@DrPhyzx You stated that Tesla stated that they "hope 500 miles will be available"?

I don't remember that disclosure during the initial reveal... doesn't mean it wasn't stated. Just don't recall...

 

[nevetsyad]

A slide during a presentation is a "promise"?

At the initial reveal, the tri-motor was advertised to have 500+ miles of range.

@DrPhyzx You stated that Tesla stated that they "hope 500 miles will be available"?

I don't remember that disclosure during the initial reveal... doesn't mean it wasn't stated. Just don't recall...

 

[rudedawg78]

A slide during a presentation is a "promise"?

To some people advertising specs for a vehicle is considered the word of a company... therefore a "promise."

 

[nevetsyad]

Specs to buy a vehicle, sure. This was specs to reserve your spot in line to buy one at some future date. He never said the range, never went into details about that. Just the price it "started at", so, be mad at him for the price?

Then again, 5 years of massive inflation, addition of all wheel steer, drive by wire, ability to back up your home, etc. were all additions not mentioned at first also. I don't see people saying they over delivered on what was "promised".

It was an early announcement to get reservations, nothing was promised.

To some people advertising specs for a vehicle is considered the word of a company... therefore a "promise."

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