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[JBee]

I've been holding off posting a list of the things I would like to see, and expect to see at least some of, in the CT reveal tomorrow.

What I'd like to see in tomorrows release:

1. Fully integrated V2X capability, or a variation of it like V2G/V2V
2. Low voltage DC input for direct solar PV charging
3. Some sort of ePTO option
4. Differential locks, or at least a rear LSD (on DM)
5. Next gen motor without rare earths - as mentioned before, probably means induction (keeps costs down and performance up too)
6. 300mile range Dual motor configuration with 125kWh pack
7. Less than 0.33Cd aerodynamic drag
8. Fully amphibious with some sort of active buoyancy
9. GUI with active terrain mapping for off-road (SLAM)
10. Persistent 360 camera view that shows underneath of vehicle
11. Starlink integration - not just attached to the roof rack
12. Proper under dash storage

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[rudedawg78]

I've been holding off posting a list of the things I would like to see, and expect to see in the CT reveal tomorrow.

Where is the list?

 

[JBee]

Sorry it's coming! (that's what happens if you press enter to start the list...)

 

[Unemployed]

I've been holding off posting a list of the things I would like to see, and expect to see in the CT reveal tomorrow.

What I'd like to see in tomorrows release:

1. Fully integrated V2X capability, or a variation of it like V2G/V2V
2. Low voltage DC input for direct solar PV charging
3. Some sort of ePTO option
4. Differential locks, or at least a rear LSD
5. Next gen motor without rare earths - probably means induction (keeps costs down too)
6. 300mile range Dual motor configuration with 125kWh pack
7. Less than 0.33Cd aerodynamic drag
8. Fully amphibious with some sort of active buoyancy
9. GUI with active terrain mapping for off-road (SLAM)
10. Persistent 360 camera view that shows underneath of vehicle
11. Starlink integration - not just attached to the roof
12. Proper under dash storage

Sorry new at this.

Could you explain in layman’s terms #1, #3

 

[JBee]

If your list is that long, don't sweat it. Get a good nights rest and wait for the real McCoy

I've actually got all day to do it...I already have the 30th of November! For me it's happening today!

 

[scottf200]

Sorry new at this.
Could you explain in layman’s terms #1, #3

Either electricity flow or communication flow. Likely electricity flow in this case.
V2V (Vehicle-to-Vehicle) - charge another vehicle.
V2X (Vehicle-to-Everything) - supply power to other things like a house, business, etc. Think emergencies.
(V2H) Vehicle-to-Home - ie. work like a gas generator would with a transfer switch

 

[scottf200]

What I'd like to see in tomorrows release:
4. Differential locks, or at least a rear LSD

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Oh shit, did I say lockers. That would be cool if so

Guess we’ll find out on the 30th

 

[JBee]

Sorry new at this.

Could you explain in layman’s terms #1, #3

Sure no worries:

1. V2X is a combination of various features being
   • V2G is Vehicle to Grid - This allows the CT battery to be discharged to the grid, so that you can export power to the grid and get paid for grid support. For example this could also be used in rural areas to support Superchargers where the grid is insufficient to power them.
   • V2H is Vehicle to House - This allows you to connect to your house and run the house from the CT battery. Useful when the grid is inoperable or if you are off-grid, and shopping includes charging in town and bringing a weeks worth or electricity home in your CT batteries. (The onboard inverter and power points in the bed will already do this, but it lacks the built in interfacing for control and electrical safety)
   • V2V is Vehicle to Vehicle - This give you to charge other EV's from the CT. Technically this also works from the rear bed 240V plugs, but it also lacks the correct interfacing atm for V2V, which would allow bi-directional comms and optimizations
2. ePTO - Is a term derived from PTO, which means Power Take Off. In this case it would be "electric" PTO aka ePTO. PTO's are commonly used on vehicles and tractors to drive high power mechanical accessories. In tractors for example, a driveshaft is connected to the PTO to drive a mower or mulcher etc. In the case of a ePTO, this could be as simple as having a three phase output connector from the onboard 240V inverter, with frequency control, that would in turn give you RPM control on a connected electric motor. This could be used for a winch, snowblower, compressor or high power pump for firefighting units etc. It could also be used for a "trolling motor" to propel the CT with a propellor in amphibious mode.

 

[Cenakaze]

My man's not happy untill he gets the boat mode

 

[newwave1331]

Proper under dash storage

Are you taking about under the dash bubble or down between the driver and passenger footwells?

ePTO - Is a term derived from PTO, which means Power Take Off. In this case it would be "electric" PTO aka ePTO. PTO's are commonly used on vehicles and tractors to drive high power mechanical accessories. In tractors for example, a driveshaft is connected to the PTO to drive a mower or mulcher etc. In the case of a ePTO, this could be as simple as having a three phase output connector from the onboard 240V inverter, with frequency control, that would in turn give you RPM control on a connected electric motor. This could be used for a winch, snowblower, compressor or high power pump for firefighting units etc. It could also be used for a "trolling motor" to propel the CT with a propellor in amphibious mode.

Pretty much a small EV version of an unimog.

 

[JBee]

Are you taking about under the dash bubble or down between the driver and passenger footwells?


Pretty much a small EV version of an unimog.

So for the dash storage I'm hoping the front section slides back or lifts up to reveal a cubby underneath. Slide would mean it could stay open when driving, but one would have to limit how high the things are that go on the dash. A good place to store small gear under, and we haven't seen the glovebox yet either, which really needs to be big.

The ePTO will make it like a electric Unimog. The cool thing with the ePTO is that it allows for different sized motors to be used according to the load. Or even the same motor to be attached to different implements, without needing to have a direct route for a driveshaft, seeing that the cable would be flexible. This also means that you don't need gearboxes to convert the driveshaft orientation, like say on a motor the driveshaft comes in horizontally from a normal PTO, but needs to go through a 90degree gearbox to a vertical shaft to drive the mower blades. Rotary hoe etc would be driven axially and so on. It also means that if it had a lifting 3point linkage etc, that driveshaft angles would not limit range of motion. Potentially, you could even have more than one ePTO setup, if this would be modular in design. Overall a serious upgrade to CT capability, especially as a work truck, all at little extra cost.

 

[anionic1]

I think you will see 6 and 11 only

 

[newwave1331]

So for the dash storage I'm hoping the front section slides back or lifts up to reveal a cubby underneath. Slide would mean it could stay open when driving, but one would have to limit how high the things are that go on the dash. A good place to store small gear under, and we haven't seen the glovebox yet either, which really needs to be big.

It appears to be space for it to slide as long as you dont keep some plants up there in the greenhouse. I keep going back to thing is the first iteration of a production trucklike thing. I'm sure they will learn more over time and make improvements.

The ePTO will make it like a electric Unimog. The cool thing with the ePTO is that it allows for different sized motors to be used according to the load. Or even the same motor to be attached to different implements, without needing to have a direct route for a driveshaft, seeing that the cable would be flexible. This also means that you don't need gearboxes to convert the driveshaft orientation, like say on a motor the driveshaft comes in horizontally from a normal PTO, but needs to go through a 90degree gearbox to a vertical shaft to drive the mower blades. Rotary hoe etc would be driven axially and so on. It also means that if it had a lifting 3point linkage etc, that driveshaft angles would not limit range of motion. Potentially, you could even have more than one ePTO setup, if this would be modular in design. Overall a serious upgrade to CT capability, especially as a work truck, all at little extra cost.

I gives the ePTO little chance for today's event. Just seeing ports to tap off of would be a win (for HV or LV). The void in the diaper seems like it has potential for something. Are hydraulics any better for versatility of attachments? Also, do you think the ~125kWh battery would be big enough for meaningful work with these attachments using a ePTO or hydraulic system?

 

[JBee]

It appears to be space for it to slide as long as you dont keep some plants up there in the greenhouse. I keep going back to thing is the first iteration of a production trucklike thing. I'm sure they will learn more over time and make improvements.


I gives the ePTO little chance for today's event. Just seeing ports to tap off of would be a win (for HV or LV). The void in the diaper seems like it has potential for something. Are hydraulics any better for versatility of attachments? Also, do you think the ~125kWh battery would be big enough for meaningful work with these attachments using a ePTO or hydraulic system?

Pot plants on the dash sounds messy, but hey at least they are solar powered and keep people happy!

The only real way ePTO could make it on the menu, is if EM really pushes the amphibious feature, and by doing so confirms what he tweeted once, that you need to attach a trolling motor to go faster on water.

"If" the amphibious mode is to be meaningful, then it not only needs a way to keep it afloat, like a bilge pump or compressor to push the water out, but would also needs some way to connect a trolling motor, so that it can be steered by the cockpit. So if a trolling motor can be controlled and powered like that then it would be less of a leap of faith to be able to connect something else to it to provide ePTO functionality on land.

You would want it to be a few kW, maybe the capacity of the inverters setup (just with frequency control for RPM) so around 10-12kW. That's actually enough to run a moderate snow blower/woodchipper/mower etc, and would mean you could operate it for around 10hours at a time with a single charge. Water pumping is also not that energy intensive for firefighting, and even reticulation, given you could only put a smaller tank in the bed, and can only tow a few tons of water in a trailer. Either way, it is an interesting application on that sort of scale. Obviously, it won't be able to replace fuel density for real machinery, like tractors or Unimogs, in the near future, but it is definitely a meaningful addition to its capabilities. BTW F-Series trucks also offer a PTO option.

 

[anionic1]

I beat the PTO conversation to death on this forum a couple years ago. You actually can get a bolt in one for a few modern ICE trucks that puts the power output down by the front bumper. I think it would be easy and really cool to bring to the masses. Maybe we would see some neat attachment options if it was but this forum kept shutting me down.

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