Used preowned Cybertruck flip on Cargurus for $250K !

[Crissa]

Nvidia is a shrewd business who has repeatedly shown they don't care about easy/fair access to their cards since they get paid either way.

This is untrue.

They've extended production of reference cards and made the available to in-person sales at reputable retailers.

Which is why I have mine. Purchased at list price.

But even worse...

...Cars sold to flippers end up as inventory and are not being used, which is the true purpose of a Tesla.

-Crissa

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[Carmino]

This is untrue.

They've extended production of reference cards and made the available to in-person sales at reputable retailers.

Which is why I have mine. Purchased at list price.

But even worse...

...Cars sold to flippers end up as inventory and are not being used, which is the true purpose of a Tesla.

-Crissa

I haven't seen any evidence to support any notion that they actually care about gamers. I've lost track of the news stories from Gamers Nexus, Linus Tech Tips, et al, exposing the business practices of Nvidia over the past 4 years.

 

[chi]

It’s possible this unit was not under the no resale clause? Like did they buy it for a video shoot and had a different agreement with Tesla?

 

[TwilightHan]

Such an outrageous take. I'm not really a huge fan of resellers, but trying to put such severe limits on an individual's private property is just wild.

So you are ok going into an agreement, signing a document saying you cannot sell the vehicle you are buying, and call that outrageous? What’s outrageous is someone not honoring their obligations. No one is forcing you to buy it.

 

[C T Rick]

I think @keykeyg got it.





I'm no lawyer but if I sell you my company that has a vehicle in holding, you now have the vehicle. I sold you the company, the truck is still owned by the company.

Smarter people can chime in to correct me.

Yes and no..my buddy sold his plumbing shop with 15 trucks. Yes the sale included the trucks and all. But then he found out that each truck needed to Pass smog , pay sales tax and registration. This was in California, so who knows what happens around the country.

Rick

 

[sylvius]

So you are ok going into an agreement, signing a document saying you cannot sell the vehicle you are buying, and call that outrageous? What’s outrageous is someone not honoring their obligations. No one is forcing you to buy it.

Agreed, and in Tesla's defense here, their purchase agreement document was refreshingly concise. We are so used to being presented with a 50 page tiny print license agreement with just about anything we buy. Whereas the CT order agreement is three pages and pretty understandable. I actually read it before signing and, other than forced arbitration, is pretty reasonable. Additionally, the no resell clause does given an out: "...
if you must sell the Vehicle within the first year following its delivery date for any unforeseen reason, and Tesla agrees that your reason warrants an exception to its no reseller policy..." I have no reason to doubt that if someone has some tragedy in their life forcing them to liquidate possessions that Tesla would allow it. They are trying to prevent flippers, not trying to prevent a secondary market. There are plenty of people who will still be waiting to order when the first December deliveries are eligible to resell but hopefully by then most will be used vehicles and not just sitting around in a garage for a year waiting to flip.

 

[OhmsLolEnforcement]

So there is no offense to 'private property'.

I loathe scalpers as much as anyone, but can't agree with you here. This is a material item, not tickets to a concert or membership to some club. There's a title and a legal basis of ownership.

Letting companies decide when we do and do not actually have ownership rights is dumb. It will be abused, and when this goes to court - no matter the legal outcome, private individuals will lose.

Your comment falls right in line with the notion "You'll own nothing and you'll be happy ".

 

[Cybertruck 1974]

who really cares what people do with their cars? If someone wants to pay a million dollars for something why not? Who cares? It doesn't change the fact that over 2 million people want the truck. Oh and since the deliveries are SAF and won't make the March deliveries for first 3 weeks of orders, If i was a billionaire I would pay 250k for it.

 

[sylvius]

I haven't seen any evidence to support any notion that they actually care about gamers. I've lost track of the news stories from Gamers Nexus, Linus Tech Tips, et al, exposing the business practices of Nvidia over the past 4 years.

I think that's the point. Nvidia doesn't care about gamers per se, they care about their company. Flippers/scalpers are bad for business and so it's in their best interests to get their products into the hands of the end users. They aren't doing it out of altruism, they are doing it out of self-interest (not in a bad way, it's their job to make decisions in the best interests of the company).

 

[CyberGus]

In some states, Tesla can only sell direct when they do not have any dealerships.

So if someone could order a batch of new Cybertrucks and offer them for sale, wouldn't that make them a "dealership"? Wouldn't this jeopardize Tesla's standing?

 

[agordon117]

lol no

Just in case you were saying I was wrong about what the order agreement says (which, you cannot take delivery without agreeing to)

"Tesla may seek injunctive relief to prevent the transfer of title of the Vehicle or demand liquidated damages from you in the amount of $50,000 or the value received as consideration for the sale or transfer, whichever is greater. Tesla may also refuse to sell you any future vehicles."

This does not specify profit. I do hope sincerely that it stops these weirdo scalpers from taking trucks that we would all love to be driving and selling them for a profit, or some weird lease for a year with buyout option, or whatever the latest scam is that they run.

Anyone who buys this truck expecting anything other than to take a loss on it, should really not be buying this truck. If you're counting on directly making money by having this vehicle (not just making money using it as a work truck, developing products for it, etc) then I hope sincerely that it doesn't work and you lose money.

 

[TwilightHan]

I loathe scalpers as much as anyone, but can't agree with you here. This is a material item, not tickets to a concert or membership to some club. There's a title and a legal basis of ownership.

Letting companies decide when we do and do not actually have ownership rights is dumb. It will be abused, and when this goes to court - no matter the legal outcome, private individuals will lose.

Your comment falls right in line with the notion "You'll own nothing and you'll be happy ".

Companies are not deciding this. We are deciding to buy it based on that agreement. This is how agreements work. No one is forcing us to buy the vehicle and the vehicle is not necessary to live.

We should confuse freedom with honoring we agree to. This is not a private personal property issue. For example, you get a prescription from the doctor for OxyContin. You have no right to give it or sell it for more. Then someone will say, but that’s a law and not an agreement. Well there is something called contract law on the civil side.

 

[Woodrick]

I'm just telling you what it says. Whether it is enforceable or not, I can't say. But based on John Cena having to settle on his no resale breach for the Ford GT, it probably is.

It's really easy for them to not enable Supercharging for the new owner and to deny adding the truck to a new profile.

 

[agordon117]

It's really easy for them to not enable Supercharging for the new owner and to deny adding the truck to a new profile.

I'd like to think they won't take it out on the new owner, but until it gets tested we won't know how they address it.

 

[Woodrick]

Good luck with that one. It'll never hold up, and they know it. The best they can do is never again sell (directly) to them.

Why would the contract not be valid?

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