Elon, please dont nerf my truck's HW4 MCU

[Baldey]

There have been reports that although the cameras and CPU are better, the new HW4 computer is actually worse than the previous version in many ways. 8gb RAM instead of 16, and it is cheaper non-EEC type. I am hoping this is just for the MY and M3 refresh.. The extra camera inputs are for the CT's front bumper camera, so at least there is hope that CT's MCU will look more like an S or X model. I really wanna play cyberpunk in my cybertruck

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[Gurule92]

I would really like to have the better hw4 for sure. But imo, if it feels quick still, that's enough. I just need it to not feel slow like the legacy auto makers.

I just rarely play the games that exist now in my car now lol can't imagine that'd change if I had access to more.

 

[Mini2nut]

I am confident the HW4 in the CT will be better. It will help differentiate the CT from lower priced vehicles, Y/3, in the Tesla vehicle portfolio.

 

[Cybergirl]

Wait a minute. The MCU (Media Control Unit) is used for non-essential functions like the like HVAC, navigation maps, and entertainment, not FSD. HW4 refers to the Autopilot/FSD computer. When you consider that FSD V1.0 C++ software will be almost entirely replaced with V2.0 NNs, it's not unreasonable to expect that RAM requirements would change from HW3 to HW4. Does anyone really think that Tesla doesn't know what hardware will be needed for FSD going forward?

 

[SparkChaser]

Wait a minute. The MCU (Media Control Unit) is used for non-essential functions like the like HVAC, navigation maps, and entertainment, not FSD. HW4 refers to the Autopilot/FSD computer. When you consider that FSD V1.0 C++ software will be almost entirely replaced with V2.0 NNs, it's not unreasonable to expect that RAM requirements would change from HW3 to HW4. Does anyone really think that Tesla doesn't know what hardware will be needed for FSD going forward?

All of this is conjecture and rumor, so take this with a grain (or pound) of salt....

 

[CyberGus]

All of this is conjecture and rumor, so take this with a grain (or pound) of salt....

Not at all. We have good info from a teardown, although from a Model Y. Cybertruck will undoubtedly be different.

That said, the referenced article was pretty clear that the reduced RAM was in the infotainment side of the hardware. Note that "HW4" is a generic term for the hardware iteration, and generally includes all of the onboard computing power (entertainment and FSD).

 

[scottf200]

I am confident the HW4 in the CT will be better. It will help differentiate the CT from lower priced vehicles, Y/3, in the Tesla vehicle portfolio.

They cheapened it already by making it a 3/Y on the inside. Sucks as far as I'm concerned.

The problem is that 3rd parties may have a hard time making a one like they do for the 3/Y since they don't have access outside the USA. When the 3/Y was made outside the USA the driver display options exploded!

 

[Deleted member 4261]

There have been reports that although the cameras and CPU are better, the new HW4 computer is actually worse than the previous version in many ways. 8gb RAM instead of 16, and it is cheaper non-EEC type. I am hoping this is just for the MY and M3 refresh.. The extra camera inputs are for the CT's front bumper camera, so at least there is hope that CT's MCU will look more like an S or X model. I really wanna play cyberpunk in my cybertruck

https://www.notateslaapp.com/news/1...cheaper-ram-missing-gpu-and-camera-connectors

What needs to change if the CT is 48v.

 

[Crissa]

They cheapened it already by making it a 3/Y on the inside. Sucks as far as I'm concerned.

The problem is that 3rd parties may have a hard time making a one like they do for the 3/Y since they don't have access outside the USA. When the 3/Y was made outside the USA the driver display options exploded!

The OG prototype Cybertruck has the 'cheap' as you call it 3/Y interior.

It's always meant to be a truck competitive with ICE powered trucks.

-Crissa

 

[scottf200]

The OG prototype Cybertruck has the 'cheap' as you call it 3/Y interior.
It's always meant to be a truck competitive with ICE powered trucks. -Crissa

I don't follow for a few reasons.

Are you saying the CT was not meant to be competitive with the BEV trucks? (ie. out now or 100% anticipated back in 2019 if Tesla got into the best selling vehicle market ... USA pickup trucks).

AFAIK, all ICE and BEV trucks have driver displays. Aside from Tesla Superfans buying the CT, I think this will become a competitive reason NOT to buy the CT from the majority of finicky truck buyers.

Perhaps Tesla is mainly going for a niche market.

Opening up the Tesla Supercharger has removed a major Tesla selling point (for various competitor cars and trucks).

Looking forward to the 2024 & 2025.

I see the admins delete my thread about 3rd party driver displays.

 

[WormtownKris]

I don't follow for a few reasons.

Are you saying the CT was not meant to be competitive with the BEV trucks? (ie. out now or 100% anticipated back in 2019 if Tesla got into the best selling vehicle market ... USA pickup trucks).

AFAIK, all ICE and BEV trucks have driver displays. Aside from Tesla Superfans buying the CT, I think this will become a competitive reason NOT to buy the CT from the majority of finicky truck buyers.

Perhaps Tesla is mainly going for a niche market.

Opening up the Tesla Supercharger has removed a major Tesla selling point (for various competitor cars and trucks).

Looking forward to the 2024 & 2025.

I see the admins delete my thread about 3rd party driver displays.

In 2019 the only anticipated EV trucks were the Rivian, Bollinger and Atlis (two ~vaporware vehicles). Major OEMs only jumped in after CT was announced.

When I was awaiting my Model 3 in 2018, I had legitimate concern about the lack of the binnacle driver display. By the time I had made the one-hour drive home from the delivery center, I was over it. Now I hate having to move my hand to see the speedometer on my work vehicle.

Will SOME finicky, creature-of-habit buyers punt without the driver display? Sure. Will there be MANY of those stuck-in-their- ways drivers who weren't already out because of the "ugly" styling or the lack of buttons and knobs or the "non-truckness" of the polarizing design? I doubt it.

I was talking with a "truck bro" friend last night. He loves pulling his boat everywhere and bringing snowmobiles back and forth from MA to VT. He's one of the few people I know who legitimately does a lot of towing. He's already in a big RAM 2500 diesel, not an F150-size truck, so he wouldn't get a CT due to towing range. So, it doesn't matter that he thinks the design is bizarre. And the driver display isn't on his radar. If Tesla does a larger CT 350 in a few years, the performance per use case would make up his mind, not the display location. For him a truck a tool, not a luxury apartment. "Does it do what I need it to do?" He's not worried about panel gaps, Apple CarPlay, or location of the speedo and range display.

Just my opinion, but I think if a "non-Tesla Superfan" is okay with the design, the futuristic interior, lack of buttons and stalks, EV vs ICE culture shift, size, and everything else that factors into buying an expensive truck, they are very unlikely to bail because of the lack of a driver display. I would think they'd be rational enough to say, "I think that's dumb, but millions of Teslas are selling each year. Maybe it's not a big deal and I should take one for a spin before I make a big deal out of it."

 

[scottf200]

When I was awaiting my Model 3 in 2018, I had legitimate concerns about the lack of the binnacle driver display. By the time I had made the one-hour drive home from the delivery center, I was over it. Now I hate having to move my hand to see the speedometer on my work vehicle.

Thanks for your all your input. I enjoyed reading it actually.

I've driven my kids 3 & Y without the display and it is just OK but many prefer a normal interface. I have multiple friends who don't like the lack of driver's display and bought other vehicles.

Heck, many cars have HUDs. I have friends that love them. Tesla can't even give us 360 degree parking displays like all modern cars have. Tesla lacks in various areas.

Again AFAIK 99% of other cars including all the new BEV trucks and cars have a driver's display.
There is a very competitive 3rd party for 3 & Y driver displays ... like more than 10. Why? Many like it. Tesla sells the reason for it in their unobstructed vision and air vent flexibility ... the reality is they are 'saving' money and making more profit ... which has been true for several years. The 3 & Y are getting cheaper now as there is competition (yeah useful capitalism where there isn't a monopoly). The Tesla Supercharger being available to many will excel the competition gain.

Obviously, I'm a Tesla fan and waited 3 years for my 2016 P90DL X. My kids have Teslas and I do a LOT of roadtrips on the Tesla supercharger network and promote it a lot. Doesn't stop me from pointing out what I think of as chinks in their armor. The chances are reasonable that I'll get a CT but I'm a couple years out and look forward to the competition. Maybe NACS built-in native ports in some of the competition will have me look at other BEV trucks. The T3 will be interesting for sure.

 

[WormtownKris]

Thanks for your all your input. I enjoyed reading it actually.

I've driven my kids 3 & Y without the display and it is just OK but many prefer a normal interface. I have multiple friends who don't like the lack of driver's display and bought other vehicles.

Likewise. I appreciate your viewpoint as well.
I was once cynical about the lack of a binnacle and am currently cynical about the lack of steering column stalks. But after driving without the driver display, I quickly found that looking a few degrees over my right hand was more natural than looking between the steering wheel. This spring we were given a Model X as a courtesy car while the 3 was in for service, and I missed the display info locations that I was now so used to. I think most of the criticism of the lack of driver display is because we are creatures of habit. We like what we are used to. It was the same way with the Model 3 and Y's lack of driver displays, and the Y is now the best-selling car in the world.
I am a bit apprehensive about not having stalks for gear selection and directionals. But I am assuming that I will quickly get used to it, as people aren't abandoning their new Model Ss that do not have stalks.

I just think the CyberTruck Festivus Airing of Grievances is such a long list, that I don't think the lack of a binnacle, or HUD, or stalks, or any other habitual creature comfort will be the deciding factor. Traditionalists and close-minded folks will already be staying as far away as possible. "A truck should look like two blocks stuck together. No other OEM uses stainless steel so that must be a stupid idea. Luxury means more buttons and giant AC vents. The sail pillars don't give any access to the bed. That pointy roof means no headroom in the backseat. Charging EVs is too hard." Etc, etc.
We shall see, soon! Cheers.

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