Cybertruck and Vandalism, Keyed - How to protect & repair stainless steel?

[Crissa]

Deterrence works. Just look at the low theft rates in Middle Eastern countries. Let the vandals or thieves try some of that same crap over there (but they won't because they know better, and they value their hands). For decades and decades swift punishment keeping crime very low has proven that deterrence works.

I'm gonna say this is political, and false? There's not good coincidence of capital/corporal punishment and low crime rates.

In fact, more corporal punishment is correlated with more criminality.

https://ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/influence-school-corporal-punishments-crime

-Crissa

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[CyberGus]

These types of vandalism are random
Knucklehead gets out of his “truck” near the CT with a chip on his shoulder
Walks by and drags his keys against the CT
I hear you guys and hope for the best
Except for the diamond ring nut
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as for acid, random acts are not acid based
Vandalism with acid would be planned and all bets are off for that crime

The acid attacks will probably wash off the brass key residue

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[ÆCIII]

I'm gonna say this is political, and false? There's not good coincidence of capital/corporal punishment and low crime rates.

In fact, more corporal punishment is correlated with more criminality.

https://ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/influence-school-corporal-punishments-crime

-Crissa

The data and history of the principle speaks for itself regardless of where used. I have seen first hand the places where deterrence has worked and continues to work. If you have no deterrence for crimes, you will have more crimes.

It has nothing to do with what's on some piece of paper or perceived standards if there are any recognized at all. In the preemptive moment, a decision is made by a criminal based on perceived risk and reward. A criminal will be much less likely to commit a crime if they know it will result in their paying a heavy price.

I don't need to cite the words or examples you referenced because the principle is much broader than that. I'm simply talking about results of deterrence that's enforced strong enough, regardless of any method.

You don't lay your hand on the stove burner, because it's hot and will burn you. That's deterrence. Deterrence works. It's that simple.

- ÆCIII

 

[Crissa]

The data and history of the principle speaks for itself regardless of where used. I have seen first hand the places where deterrence has worked and continues to work. If you have no deterrence for crimes, you will have more crimes.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal

What works on a micro, personal scale does not necessarily work on a wider, societal scale.

-Crissa

 

[ÆCIII]

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal

What works on a micro, personal scale does not necessarily work on a wider, societal scale.

-Crissa

Each vehicle is vandalized individually or in relatively small numbers. That actually was the context of my first post on the subject, even though I used an example of larger scale. Each individual crime scene of vandalism, damage, or burglary - indeed is micro though, and I was actually just emphasizing deterrence works if applied effectively in each situation. My focus was on the simple definition of "deterrence", which is to prevent something from happening.

My example of a region's countries or area having strong deterrence was not meant to glorify or support a particular method, but merely to point out that if a method is strong and compelling enough (whatever it is), it then does work. I used the particular region because I know there is substantial data to retrieve on countries there, for comparison. I don't think we need to get into those statistical weeds on this forum though. There is abundant data on both the U.S. and other regions; so you can peruse it as much as you would like of course.

- ÆCIII

 

[SparkChaser]

Need to leave your bubble my friend, you are more likely to step in or drive over human ? than get acid attacked in 2023 San Francisco.

I have been to Jacksonville many times. It is not much different there.

 

[HaulingAss]

I live in San Francisco, with no garage, and I am more worried about acid. I see it from time to time on windows and metal. That will be a real pain to buff out and over time will weaken the SS.

I guess there is still a lot of windowpane acid in San Francisco?

 

[HaulingAss]

i make all my keys out of titanium.

Even regular, hot rolled stainless steel is harder than titanium. Cybertruck is made from more scratch resistant cold-rolled stainless steel.

 

[SparkChaser]

Even regular, hot rolled stainless steel is harder than titanium. Cybertruck is made from more scratch resistant cold-rolled stainless steel.

Titanium is a relatively soft metal, while stainless steel is harder. Stainless steel's Brinell hardness is typically in the range of 180-400, while titanium's is in the range of 100-200.

 

[PilotPete]

I'm gonna say this is political, and false? There's not good coincidence of capital/corporal punishment and low crime rates.

In fact, more corporal punishment is correlated with more criminality.

https://ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/influence-school-corporal-punishments-crime

-Crissa

The data and history of the principle speaks for itself regardless of where used. I have seen first hand the places where deterrence has worked and continues to work. If you have no deterrence for crimes, you will have more crimes.

It has nothing to do with what's on some piece of paper or perceived standards if there are any recognized at all. In the preemptive moment, a decision is made by a criminal based on perceived risk and reward. A criminal will be much less likely to commit a crime if they know it will result in their paying a heavy price.

I don't need to cite the words or examples you referenced because the principle is much broader than that. I'm simply talking about results of deterrence that's enforced strong enough, regardless of any method.

You don't lay your hand on the stove burner, because it's hot and will burn you. That's deterrence. Deterrence works. It's that simple.

- ÆCIII

I recently finished my Criminal Law class in December. The professor just published a book on capital punishment. (And the professor is a state death penalty appeals attorney.) He quoted the statistics in the US that concludes states with the death penalty have higher rates (per capita) of homicides than do states that do not. The problem he then pointed out with the data is it isn't objective or reliable. The states that do have differing education rates and qualities than those that don't. Other differences are income and poverty levels, drug trafficking, gang activity, human trafficking, population average demographics. and a few others. What is important about those differences is that they are all factors in overall per capita crime rates. So regardless of which side of the debate you stand, to attribute homicide rate to a single factor is bad policy and misleading.

However, if you look at theft under $1,000, California may be a good test case. Just a short time ago we prosecuted shoplifters for almost any value stolen. Now, we don't prosecute in large parts of the state for amounts less than $1,000per person per offense. Was there a change in the per capita shoplifting rate year over year? Yes. Did it go up or down with the change in law enforcement? It when up when the law enforcement was relaxed. Has there been a significant change in the population demographics? No.

We have a fairly consistent test group, mostly the same people, A change in only one of the variables. And a different outcome. That appears to a result, and better data. If the data is valid, what does it indicate? Stiffer laws/penalties have less crime. At least at this level. Does it translate to all other crimes? Can't say, not enough data.

We all too often consider a coincident factor to be a causal factor. Politicians love to do this, on all sides. Just because over 99% of those over the age of 21 that succumb to cancer, have a driver's license, doesn't mean that the DL causes cancer in people over 21. It makes a great headline; "Over 99% cancer deaths all have this in common. Tune in at 11 to see if you do too."

 

[CYBRSMTH]

We have a large number of CCW owners in my area so vandalism is not common. Good solution is to protect your property and defend yourselves against others.

Do you really encounter acid attacks?
Who has the time and money to shop for, purchase acid, and plan random vandalism on other people's property?

That sounds like an expensive and time consuming hobby...

I agree. WTF?!

 

[Deleted member 17810]

Even regular, hot rolled stainless steel is harder than titanium. Cybertruck is made from more scratch resistant cold-rolled stainless steel.

how dare you

 

[PilotPete]

how dare you

 

[Crissa]

However, if you look at theft under $1,000, California may be a good test case. Just a short time ago we prosecuted shoplifters for almost any value stolen. Now, we don't prosecute in large parts of the state for amounts less than $1,000per person per offense. Was there a change in the per capita shoplifting rate year over year? Yes. Did it go up or down with the change in law enforcement? It when up when the law enforcement was relaxed. Has there been a significant change in the population demographics? No.

If the data is valid, what does it indicate

There is, unfortunately, no evidence that the rate of criminality or enforcement has changed.
https://openjustice.doj.ca.gov/exploration/crime-statistics/crimes-clearances

And other states, like Texas, already have the baseline for a felony at over twice the amount California just set it to.
https://www.texasclarkfirm.com/blog/2023/march/caught-shoplifting-in-texas-what-you-should-know/

-Crissa

 

[PilotPete]

There is, unfortunately, no evidence that the rate of criminality or enforcement has changed.
https://openjustice.doj.ca.gov/exploration/crime-statistics/crimes-clearances

And other states, like Texas, already have the baseline for a felony at over twice the amount California just set it to.
https://www.texasclarkfirm.com/blog/2023/march/caught-shoplifting-in-texas-what-you-should-know/

-Crissa

Crissa,

I bet you and I both know that California has changed the petty theft/shoplifting laws. Unless you live under a rock, you were there when Prop 47 was voted in and it added PC section 459.5.

So, there has been a change in the law, and there has been an increase In the crime. AG Bonta held a press conference back in June about a new tactic to battle the increase in shoplifting crime through information sharing between law enforcement and any retailer that wanted to be part of the agreement. Target said about the same time that their 2022 losses were between $700-800 million dollars and was climbing so rapidly that they expected an increase in the 60-70% range just for 2023.

That same month, Newsweek published an article which says in part; “San Francisco has been gripped by a crimewave that has seen Whole Foods close its downtown location after just a year of business, with bosses saying they were unable to "ensure the safety" of their staff in the city. Nordstrom followed suit by leaving the city this month, but many smaller businesses have had no choice but to remain, despite attacks on their premises.” The problem became so bad another law had to be enacted to raise the shoplifting charges back to a felony, if the act is committed in concert with an “organized” effort. Since P47, crime in this category has disproportionately risen. With the reduction from possible felony to only a misdemeanor, many DAs won’t prosecute and Law enforcement is hesitant to investigate. Some retailers are stating that they no longer notify law enforcement of the smaller events, as the delays to get someone out to take statements and the lack of investigation leads to a loss of time for their staff. And before you argue this like everything else, I work for the Orange County Sheriffs Dept in the Reserve Bureau on my off time. I’m giving you first hand direct knowledge information. You can argue that I’m wrong, but believe it or not, I know some things that you don’t.

California has also changed its sentencing guidelines for budgetary reasons according to comments from Sacramento.

You are being argumentative and remind me of a small child. Every time someone makes a statement, you just post; “No, that’s not true!” Just to troll people.

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