172 KWH / 500 miles range based on forbidden video

[cvalue13]

In my experience the range predictor for nav is pretty good. Usually estimates low (I typically arrive with slightly higher charge then originally estimated)

I don't even look at the EPA guesstimate and keep it on %.

I mean, maybe the magic here is that you’re talking about % state - which as I understand it is the better way to view Tesla’s data

but in any event, I think we were talking past one another a little bit. I was emphasizing the distinction/comparison of stated EPA range (eg what would be relayed verbally on NOV 30), vs real world Tesla range on dash


and even then, as reliable and level-headed as you always are, and so I take your anecdotal experience on board, I’m left with it still being at best confusing given the available population-level data of Tesla’s on-dash range vs realized - including as relates to seasonality

those graphs above in no way foreclose that there are within the data folks with your experience, but instead that the averages require there are an equal number of folks with the opposite experience

In any event, these are all just side-bar details of what I think we’re both clear on

(1) what EPA they state on Nov 30 will be with respect to a specific configuration (trim, tire selection, weight, etc.) AND

(2) folks need to remember that when it comes to range, this Tesla is NOT going to behave like other Teslas - as a requirement/consequence of physics (it’s bigger, heavier, and with much larger contact patch)

Range-wise, BEV trucks, by requirements of physics, behave very different from BEV cars

small conditions variation (that would be a relative blip to range in a sedan), have outsized effects on a truck like this

Tesla is good at engineering - but they cannot change physics

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[Gurule92]

I mean, maybe the magic here is that you’re talking about % state - which as I understand it is the better way to view Tesla’s data

but in any event, I think we were talking past one another a little bit. I was emphasizing the distinction/comparison of stated EPA range (eg what would be relayed verbally on NOV 30), vs real world Tesla range on dash


and even then, as reliable and level-headed as you always are, and so I take your anecdotal experience on board, I’m left with it still being at best confusing given the available population-level data of Tesla’s on-dash range vs realized - including as relates to seasonality

those graphs above in no way foreclose that there are within the data folks with your experience, but instead that the averages require there are an equal number of folks with the opposite experience

In any event, these are all just side-bar details of what I think we’re both clear on

(1) what EPA they state on Nov 30 will be with respect to a specific configuration (trim, tire selection, weight, etc.) AND

(2) folks need to remember that when it comes to range, this Tesla is NOT going to behave like other Teslas - as a requirement/consequence of physics (it’s bigger, heavier, and with much larger contact patch)

Range-wise, BEV trucks, by requirements of physics, behave very different from BEV cars

small conditions variation (that would be a relative blip to range in a sedan), have outsized effects on a truck like this

Tesla is good at engineering - but they cannot change physics

Agreed overall.

The permanently displayed range and announced range (EPA) won't typically be realized. I don't hit that. I was referring to the range upon arrival estimate that pops up only when you navigate somewhere. That's really the only place that Tesla accounts for physics and external factors such as temperature and elevation changes. That estimate they first give you when you navigate somewhere is usually pretty reliable.

(You will arrive at your destination with x% and roundtrip would yield x%)

And also different from EPA. Even they know EPA rating isn't real lol but its a more consistent number to give and usually rosier lol

That's why I mentioned only using the % of battery on the standard (permanent) display area.

 

[CyberGus]

Or, you can believe in Santa Claus and that Tesla promised a 500 mile range so you are sticking with "Tesla promised 500 miles, and that is what I think they deliver".

Wait, Santa isn't real??!? ?

 

[Jhodgesatmb]

The only info that is useful is the info that states it will take about 6% to travel 16 miles. If we broke it down to 5% for every 16 miles for easier math...that makes it about 320 miles.

If we guess that the efficiency is 400wh/mile...we get about 128 kwh pack....but my guess for dual motor is somewhere in the 130-140kwh range. My final guess!!! Now let's wait for the unveil where he will never tell us the battery pack size...?

Has Tesla ever disclosed battery pack sizes at delivery events? It seems that that kind of information comes out later, e.g., during tear downs, since they don’t put it on a badge anymore. I am not expecting any more range than originally advertised for the dual-motor trim and don’t know why anyone would.

 

[JoeRod97]

In my experience the range predictor for nav is pretty good. Usually estimates low (I typically arrive with slightly higher charge then originally estimated)

I don't even look at the EPA guesstimate and keep it on %.

I'm so torn cause I know I want the ATs but the street tires are boring lol

Also, one day I'll be like ooh let's go offroading and then I'll regret my decision.

But on the other hand if I get the ATs I might regret it more often because of the range hit.

Decisions decisions

Im getting street tires.no effen way this CT is going off road!

 

[Gurule92]

Im getting street tires.no effen way this CT is going off road!

Here come the truck bros! Lol

 

[ED_SFO]

Here come the truck bros! Lol

I wouldn't mind some trail cruising... definitely no rock climbing...tires are crazy $$$ then the hassle of changing it in the wilderness. Hard pass lol

Gonna use it for truck things and daily activities ?

 

[Gurule92]

I wouldn't mind some trail cruising... definitely no rock climbing...tires are crazy $$$ then the hassle of changing it in the wilderness. Hard pass lol

Gonna use it for truck things and daily activities ?

My thoughts exactly

 

[JBee]

- potentially as much as 15% (assuming 75mph continuous driving)

Do you know the tyres Crr, because I don't think the difference between AT and street should be as much as 15%.

 

[CyberGus]

I'll take my CT offroad to like National Parks etc. but I'm not going rock-crawling or finishing Baja lol

 

[JBee]

I'll take my CT offroad to like National Parks etc. but I'm not going rock-crawling or finishing Baja lol

Just use your right pedal and you'll get there somehow.

I was always told if braking doesn't help, accelerate...

 

[TyPope]

The only info that is useful is the info that states it will take about 6% to travel 16 miles. If we broke it down to 5% for every 16 miles for easier math...that makes it about 320 miles.

If we guess that the efficiency is 400wh/mile...we get about 128 kwh pack....but my guess for dual motor is somewhere in the 130-140kwh range. My final guess!!! Now let's wait for the unveil where he will never tell us the battery pack size...?

May as well say:
If 16 miles takes 6%, then 16 / 6 = 2.66 miles per 1% of battery. So,
2.66 x 100 = 266 miles per full charge. Even if this were right, we don't know if this particular truck was driven to maximize range or if it were driven pedal to the metal. But, we CAN say that 266 miles of range is obtainable when the CT is driven like the tester here drove it. (loaded, sprinting, hill climbing, floating, etc.)

 

[cvalue13]

Do you know the tyres Crr, because I don't think the difference between AT and street should be as much as 15%.

it could be worse, I was being concervatice

look up the studies done on the Rivian effects of switching between street and AT, tested at 75mph

Rivian EPA rates wheel/tire changes. it’s stated EPA estimates (eg in EPA conditions) is that the 20" All-Terrain wheels that offer a 40-mile range penalty at EPA conditions.

ramp those conditions up to 75mph, and:

Rivian R1T on Street Tires Went 60 Miles Farther in Our Highway Range Test
That’s almost a 30 percent improvement over a previous truck wearing all-terrain tires.

 

[Mini2nut]

I can say with certainty that the Dual Motor CT range will exceed the large battery pack Rivian R1T with 20” all terrain tires (289 miles).

Being DM Model Y owners for almost 3-years I can assure you that Tesla’s battery range estimates are very optimistic. We average 15% less range than advertised during our ownership experience.

 

[Zabhawkin]

I poked the numbers and here is what I get.

75 miles per hour at a rate of 77kw gives 1.027kwh/mile double the anticipated, more like it was towing.

16 miles was estimated to take 6% for a total of 16.432kwh

converting to 100% of the battery gives 257kwh total battery pack. Under normal driving 450-500wh/mile comes out to about 515 miles of range.

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