Huh? No one has said that Tesla is an infallible entity. You are the only one pretending that's what people have said.
what is your definition of rare? Look at the tow guide, anything with the 3.5, 5.0 or max tow all support over 11,000#
You did. You literally argued every point I made about faulted logic and such.
Right, but the chassis is a common 5th wheel chassis shared across virtually all the units. They all have to sit in the same place and same height. I don’t dispute one can’t be made to work with the CT, but that existing designs won’t work. It’s not that I’m knitpicking this topic. It’s just one data point that I use to support my position that Tesla reinventing the truck design limits their buyer audience and was a mistake of a choice because of the value of the truck ecosystem and aftermarket. Trailers being one example. However rare or not, if someone can’t use any part of anything they have now, it’s going to create a possible pause or deter them to the other EV trucks or not get an EV.
there goes 8 sales.
No, I did not say Tesla was infalliable. There is a big difference between making the case that Tesla is a more efficient manufacturer than GM or Ford (and they are) and saying they are infalliable. This efficiency of manufacture is how Tesla can offer so much value to the new car buyer and is how Tesla, for the first time in the history of mass-produced automobiles, made an all-electric car the best-selling car in the world.
That is true you did not say it specifically, but I did infer it as you seem to constantly defend and hold Tesla on a pedestal for accomplishments. I don’t think the accomplishments are as big as you do, though. Tesla solar? Failure and losing market share Year over Year. Tesla AI, they are just starting Dojo chip design, so they are about 10 years behind Apple and Amazon in that regard. Dojo super computer? 10,000+ GPUs and 2.3 megawatts? Amazon and Apple are playing in the Gigawatt data center game. 10,000+ GPU’s is leftovers at Amazon. Amazon, Apple and Google are all making highly specialized chips. Tesla chose camera only over sensor fusion (lidar + CV), which has cost them years. Tesla ignores an ecosystem of billions of devices (Carplay/android auto) over software that is quite inferior. Tesla does half the sales of Ford yet is worth astronomically more money than the others. For what? The differentiator of the energy storage biz? Hard to buy that energy storage is worth that much. Tesla has cut a lot of corners to make their cars the way they do. Most notably, they have yet to deliver on the thing we need most, a cheap electric car. Where is the basic ass Toyota Celica I had in the 90’s? The CT is aimed at above middle class at this point, arguing about $60k trucks when some folks can’t afford $20-30k vehicles is where I have issue. I had really hoped all this so called innovation would turn into solving a real problem for much of our country and it didn’t. It’s same shit with a different bow. The numbers don’t add up. So…
All you need to do is look at the photo posted previously, that sail pillars would interfere with many 5th wheel trailers is self evident.
If only you’d have bothered reading you’d have known I was discussing an “HD” (i.e. 3/4+ ton) version of the Cybertruck.
If you don't think it's a very big accomplishment to go from a struggling start-up competing against the largest and most powerful automakers anywhere, to having the best-selling car in the world, then I think you have a problem with parsing reality.
The average selling price of all ICE trucks sold in America in December was over $58K and their fuel bills over their useful life will eclipse their purchase price. It's natural for Tesla to enter that market and displace those fuel sales. Only someone who felt threatened by that would be critical of open market competition in that market.
Legacy auto is no more beholden to profitability than Tesla, unless they choose to be. Tesla has had positive cash flow for years now, they no longer need to use their share price to raise capital. So it's clear you have no clue what you are talking about.
True. The fact that Ford and GM still can't produce an EV profitably, with that headstart, just shows how superior Tesla's execution and efficiency really is. In 2018 we were told legacy auto could just flip a switch and produce millions of high-quality, low cost EV's as soon as the market wanted them turned out to be false. The financials and the sales volumes don't lie.
Efficiency can be measured many ways. But whether you measure it using the speed of production, the number of cars built per square foot of factory space, the number of worker hours per vehicle, the cost to produce, or the profit margins realized, Tesla comes out so far on top that there is no question they are more efficient. That's not opinion, it's a fact.
The Ford Lightning has traditional sides on its bed, and Ford has sold thousands of Lightnings over the last 2+ years, so I imagine all those joyous Lightning owners are out there criss-crossing the country in their 5th wheel trailers, right?
Wait, so the complaints relate to a version of the truck that doesn't exist yet, if ever? Holy crap. No wonder it's hard to have this conversation. This truck is designed to compete in the market against exactly one other truck. The F-150 quad cab short bed. That's the target.
"Payload" includes passengers
